Liberty’ Rebellion in Idaho Threatens to Undermine Coronavirus Orders

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I understand that - That's why those who are most vulnerable should self-isolate - so they don't come in contact with anyone that MIGHT be a carrier.

However, not everyone who gets the coronavirus becomes significantly disabled from it. The AP is carrying this notice in many of it's stories:


As I said, if the most vulnerable (and those who are scared-out-of-their-minds) DO ACTUALLY isolate themselves, how are they at risk? And if the rest of the people are willing to take the risk of becoming ill but recovering, while keeping America up and running, being productive and providing services to each other, in other words, carrying on with their lives while taking reasonable precautions, why is that unacceptable? Every day we take all kinds of risks just getting out of bed. Getting the coronavirus is one more risk to be evaluated and making a decision how much risk we are willing to take.

We have a Constitutional Right to make that decision for ourselves. The government does not. If you find that risk too great, then self-isolate (see, that even rhymes - oh, sorry, we have been mandated to give up our sense of humor, too).

The EDICT is a PANIC RESPONSE based on a DELUSIONAL scenario.

The latest report I saw indicated that the Projection of Death Models are being realigned. Instead of the the 240,000 that was being touted, the new number is something in the order of 85,000. That's A HUGE DIFFERENCE of risk factors - That's 1/3 of what was original being predicted. Were the decisions being made based on 85,000 or 240,000? Oh, I can hear it now --- The difference is BECAUSE we overreacted. That's the Pink Elephant Repellent. I've been spraying my basement with PER for the last 10 years and there have been no Pink Elephants in my basement! That stuff really works!

ETA: The latest projections are now down to 60,000 deaths - That's 1/4 of the original Fear-Mongering projection. (Before anyone in the US got the virus, the projection was that as many as 2 million might die!)

THE PEOPLE of Idaho have the Constitutional Right to choose for themselves. And THE PEOPLE of Pennsylvania, too.

I'm not against anyone taking reasonable measures (or even unreasonable ones) by their own choice - It's the EDICT that is the problem.

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In another example of the disingenuous nature of the rhetoric being foisted on THE PEOPLE, the (self-identified) ELITE ignore what is mandated for everyone else:

Wife of Alton, Illinois, Mayor attends party Sunday morning and is charged (with others) for violating the stay-at-home order. According to the order, “all public and private gatherings of any number of people occurring outside a single household or living unit are prohibited, except for limited purposes permitted by this Executive Order.”
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/w...ty-police-say/

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio defended his roughly 11-mile trip to Brooklyn to take daily walks despite the state’s stay-at-home order for nonessential business as necessary for him “to be most effective.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...away-from-home

New Zealand’s health minister apologized after he was demoted for breaking the country’s coronavirus lockdown to take his family to the beach.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...uring-lockdown


It's not that these actions are wrong, it's that these actions have been mandated as wrong for everyone!

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To be honest, I don't disagree with about 90% of your argument. I just believe that, due to the particulars of this virus vs. others (e.g., infectiousness/long incubation, etc.) that that approach would not be as effective as it would with a disease that wasn't infectious until symptoms appeared/had a shorer incubation and infection duration. Which would still result in overwhelmimg the health care system. Do I like this option? Hell no! I can't begin to tell you of the financial damage that this has caused the family, and I still have my primary job. But, I also don't think that the results of doing your way would be all that acceptable either.

As for the estmated death rates being changed, perhaps you didn't read the news this morning. The estimates were modeled based on an assumption (and ALL models have inherent biases) that there would only be rkughly a 50% compliance with social distancing, when in reality we've been seeing on the order of 90% compliance. The models were based on the behavior seen in both Italy and NYC, which were both poor. But, the rest of the US has largely accepted the request/order to distance themselves, which has had a direct affect on the spread of the disease and has reduced the number of infections.

Some would see this as verificatiin that the disease was bullshit and not as deadly as predicted. Others see it as if all the social distancing worked as planned. Somewhere in the middle is the likely answer.

The scam is the response to the virus. People are still going to the supermarket, Home Depot, Septa buses and trains and Amtrak trains still running The economy has been shut down and now they're saying they don't know when they'll open back up for business. That's the scam. The virus is going to make some people sick and some will die whether you stay home or do cartwheels down Broad Street. This whole response has been to shut the economy down because all the other hoaxes to remove and discredit Trump failed miserably.

All throughout history revolutions happen when enough people have had enough. Do what you have to do to protect you and your families. Right now while we sit here and discuss whether families should starve and lose their homes and businesses or become wards of the state people are choosing up sides. This is how it all starts. The powers create a situation where law enforcement and military will side with the government because it sounds almost reasonable that the country locks down to the point of martial law for a communicable disease. It gives troops that little bit of plausible deniability that keeps them thinking "I was shooting at or arresting Americans citizens for the children". The powers that be are well versed on what has worked and what doesn't work, they pay people to study people's reaction to certain things like slowly restricting freedoms. When the powers decide they will move only the follow through is ever questionable because of human error or human instinct to resist.

Everyone lives in their own small world looking at the picture they have drawn for themselves. People that control the money and the power in the world look at things on a grand scale and plot to control others using plans they together concoct. The world has been this way since the first human decided they need to control all the other humans around them because they harbor the arrogance of believing they know what's best for you or telling you that so you'll play along.

The single biggest step that one could take toward revolution today would be to just go back to work as you would normally. The .gov can't simultaneously arrest 10+ million people.

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As for the estmated death rates being changed, perhaps you didn't read the news this morning. The estimates were modeled based on an assumption (and ALL models have inherent biases) that there would only be rkughly a 50% compliance with social distancing, when in reality we've been seeing on the order of 90% compliance. The models were based on the behavior seen in both Italy and NYC, which were both poor. But, the rest of the US has largely accepted the request/order to distance themselves, which has had a direct affect on the spread of the disease and has reduced the number of infections.

Some would see this as verificatiin that the disease was bullshit and not as deadly as predicted. Others see it as if all the social distancing worked as planned. Somewhere in the middle is the likely answer.

Even if that's true (90% actual vs 50% predicted - which I doubt), remember all those essential jobs where people are not staying-at-home. They just admitted that the EDICT is/was a PANIC RESPONSE based on a DELUSIONAL scenario. Most of America is NOT LIKE NYC!

Be careful of the Kool Aid - and buy some more Pink Elephant Repellant.

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[JenniferG]

To be honest, I don't disagree with about 90% of your argument. I just believe that, due to the particulars of this virus vs. others (e.g., infectiousness/long incubation, etc.) that that approach would not be as effective as it would with a disease that wasn't infectious until symptoms appeared/had a shorer incubation and infection duration. Which would still result in overwhelmimg the health care system. Do I like this option? Hell no! I can't begin to tell you of the financial damage that this has caused the family, and I still have my primary job. But, I also don't think that the results of doing your way would be all that acceptable either.

As for the estmated death rates being changed, perhaps you didn't read the news this morning. The estimates were modeled based on an assumption (and ALL models have inherent biases) that there would only be rkughly a 50% compliance with social distancing, when in reality we've been seeing on the order of 90% compliance. The models were based on the behavior seen in both Italy and NYC, which were both poor. But, the rest of the US has largely accepted the request/order to distance themselves, which has had a direct affect on the spread of the disease and has reduced the number of infections.

Some would see this as verificatiin that the disease was bullshit and not as deadly as predicted. Others see it as if all the social distancing worked as planned. Somewhere in the middle is the likely answer.






The single biggest step that one could take toward revolution today would be to just go back to work as you would normally. The .gov can't simultaneously arrest 10+ million people.

That is precisely what is going to happen because people have to feed their families and keep their businesses. A single check from the government isn't going to cover that. I see this whole situation as a test or preparation for more freedom robbing events in the future. If I were going to steal your rights away from you right under your nose this is exactly how I would do it. Prepare you for it little by little then drop the boom after you've become dependent upon the government for your everything. As I said, look at the words in the bills passed in the democrat led House and see if all these things I've mentioned aren't already in those bills.

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And that is debatable. When they stop counting all other forms of death as cv19 deaths,
then we'll see. Reminds me of our voting system.

We have the same "problem" with firearm death stats, we all tear them apart right?
Whats the difference with this, seems like everybody seems to trust .gov all of a sudden

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