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March 11th, 2020, 11:57 PM #11
Re: Updated PCC 9mm downselection discussion
I have a QC10 9mm glock mag SBR lower with the LRBHO upper and no complaints. It is my USPSA PCC gun. I have an MP5 clone but it’s not as fast as an AR9 for competition, at least in my hands.
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March 12th, 2020, 08:51 AM #12
Re: Updated PCC 9mm downselection discussion
I really like our CMMG BANSHEE 300 chambered in 45 ACP that uses Glock mags. I like all the choices you have when ordering from CMMG: 10+ Cerakote choices, 10+ calibers, 10+ barrel lengths. Now I wanted the 45 ACP in their 300 models, so I only had to choose which color I wanted. I went with Burnt Bronze.
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March 12th, 2020, 09:12 AM #13
Re: Updated PCC 9mm downselection discussion
I have the Ruger PC Carbine and the Pak9. I like the Ruger quite a bit. I've shot it in a couple of PCC matches. Runs like a top. I've done some upgrades to make it more competition friendly (10/22 trigger mod, extended mag release, large charging handle), but out of the box it was good. The Pak9 I started to upgrade and kinda lost interest. Bought a threading tool for it, but never got around to threading the barrel. It's a fun gun, but it's nothing more than a range toy.
I'd like to get the PSA AK-V. Looks cooler than the Pak9 with the curved Scorpion mags. Saw a used one last month and didn't buy, now I regret it, but only just a little.
I was pretty interested in the Stribog last year, but was holding out for the A3 delayed roller version. Then I started reading about mag issues. GP/GO is offering reinforced mags to deal with cracking problem. Not sure if they're readily available or not. As far as the Glock lower is concerned, that's not being made by GP/GO. It's made by Safety Harbor Firearms. It's still in the prototype stage, will probably cost half or more of the price of a Stribog, and will require a new bolt. $700-$850 (brace) for a Stribog A1 (A3 is $999 - no brace), plus another $400 for a Glock lower. Not worth the price increase for essentially a range toy. That said, I may break down eventually and get one once the mag issue is sorted out.
For the price of the Stribog Glock lower you can get an Extar9 that already takes Glock mags. Only drawback is you're limited to what stock you put on it. When the Extar9 first came out I reached out to the manufacturer and asked if the gun could take a standard AR buffer tube and was told that it was proprietary. I know the adapter for the Extar556 doesn't work with the Extar9. But I think I read somewhere that someone figured out a way to make an AR buffer tube work and was able to put on a different stabilizing brace.
So, TL : DR - The Ruger is the only true PCC. Everything else is a pistol. All have weaknesses, 9mm not my first choice for HD, but regardless, could be buckets of fun at the range.
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March 12th, 2020, 12:30 PM #14Grand Member
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March 12th, 2020, 01:55 PM #16
Re: Updated PCC 9mm downselection discussion
I like the mod, it dropped my trigger pull down to just under 3lbs. When I did the mod, there was nothing on the market for the PC Carbine. I'd read on a Brian Enos forum post about someone trying the Volquartsen 10/22 Target Trigger and the Power Custom Hammer and Sear Kit in their PC Carbine and having good success. I opted to get the Volquartsen trigger, but a JWH Target Hammer Kit instead. I didn't need the sear from the PC Kit, so I didn't see any point to spending the extra cash. Plus, I've used JWH parts before and had good results.
The install was easy, except for one caveat - the trigger didn't fit. The disconnector on the PC Carbine is different from the 10/22. I bought a 10/22 disconnector, but never installed it or the VQ trigger. Eventually I bought a Tandemkross Victory Trigger for the PC Carbine and used the VQ trigger in another 10/22 build.
These days there are more PC Carbine options out there. I hear good things about MCARBO's PC Carbine spring kit, and they have a flat trigger, as well. If there had been more options in 2018, I may have tried something else. But I can't complain. The gun runs nice.
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March 12th, 2020, 04:02 PM #17Super Member
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Re: Updated PCC 9mm downselection discussion
I did a Kidd Trigger Job Kit for a 10/22, and it was well worth the $110. But I have yet to find an equivalent rebuild kit for the PC9. Everything I’ve read about only changes springs or the trigger paddle, if I understand it. And the price makes no sense to me for a $500 rifle that has an “okay” trigger out of the box. So I’m still looking.
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March 13th, 2020, 06:41 AM #18
Re: Updated PCC 9mm downselection discussion
The JWH kit is $30. It replaces the hammer and springs. Makes a big difference over just the springs. For another $30-$50 you can get a PC Carbine specific trigger from MCARBO or Tandemkross. Not a bad deal to get a 2.5-3lb trigger.
It's no Kidd Trigger, but Tony Kidd has said he has no plans to make anything for the PC Carbine. I have Kidd trigger kits and full trigger packs in a few 10/22s. Great, great triggers, but they're all sub 2lb pull. I don't want anything that light for my PC Carbine.
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March 13th, 2020, 07:26 AM #19Super Member
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March 14th, 2020, 10:58 PM #20
Re: Updated PCC 9mm downselection discussion
yeah maybe i should have called the thread subgun 9mm downselection... i prob also shouldve mentioned that im not an AR guy at all, not sure why always hated them.
hodgie has me really considering the AKV, other than the glock mag thing it looks awesome and its threaded; if i went back to my pak9 i would prob pay like 200-300 just getting the barrel threaded and adding brace etc and then im right at the akv price... but then theres that extar ep9 that takes glock mags and is only like $425 - but not digging that proprietary tube etc ugh... carbine-wise the ruger seems hard to beat esp since magpul is releasing the backpacker stock for it per 2020 shot show - but i hate when ppl call it handy or packable, it is not, it weighs a ton..
seriously ruger needs to put out a charger-version of the pc9 with a short & lightweight threaded barrel and a sporter style brace setup that folds - that would kick ass
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