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    Default ATTENTION ADMINS

    I've just found that at other various forums, people are posting this to answer questions of reciprocity;


    http://www.pafoa.org/law/carrying-fi...y/reciprocity/

    and

    http://www.pafoa.org/counties/



    It appears to be out of date. Is that being maintained? If not, we should probably look at getting all of this updated because people are referencing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHEMI View Post
    I've just found that at other various forums, people are posting this to answer questions of reciprocity;


    http://www.pafoa.org/law/carrying-fi...y/reciprocity/

    and

    http://www.pafoa.org/counties/



    It appears to be out of date. Is that being maintained? If not, we should probably look at getting all of this updated because people are referencing it.
    Or get rid of it. I know this is a gun site. But if it is not kept up to date. Might be better to reference a site that does keep the info up to date.
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    https://handgunlaw.us/
    I just go there.
    they spend a lot of time keeping their shit current.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sota View Post
    https://handgunlaw.us/
    I just go there.
    they spend a lot of time keeping their shit current.
    Same.


    This is an area where PAFOA could be a serious player again. Or, maybe get rid of it if its redundant. Why compete with a site like hangunlaw?
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    Wow. Just clicked on the site ^ and read:

    Title 18 § 912 Possession of Weapon on School Property.
    (a) Definition.--Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section 907 (relating to possessing
    instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife,
    cutting instrument, cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument or
    implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

    (b) Offense Defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a weapon in the
    buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or
    secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by
    the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.

    Much is posted and discussed re firearms in school properties, but I don't recall discussions making me realize that the penknife I have carried since age 10 carries the same penalty as a firearm. And "implement capable" is ridiculously broad. The factory-supplied tire iron in my trunk needs to be gone?
    Last edited by Bang; February 22nd, 2020 at 11:18 AM.
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    I use USCCA's, I find it easiest to use.
    His name was Duncan Lemp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Wow. Just clicked on the site ^ and read:

    Title 18 § 912 Possession of Weapon on School Property.
    (a) Definition.--Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section 907 (relating to possessing
    instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife,
    cutting instrument, cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument or
    implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

    (b) Offense Defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a weapon in the
    buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or
    secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by
    the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.

    Much is posted and discussed re firearms in school properties, but I don't recall discussions making me realize that the penknife I have carried since age 10 carries the same penalty as a firearm. And "implement capable" is ridiculously broad. The factory-supplied tire iron in my trunk needs to be gone?
    That's a ridiculous law that can be used to incarcerate anyone at anytime.
    A credit card can slice your throat, a pen or pencil can stab and kill, keys etc pretty much anything is a weapon and can be used to do bodily harm and even kill.
    Lazy legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    I use USCCA's, I find it easiest to use.
    As do we, always check for changes before going on a trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Wow. Just clicked on the site ^ and read:

    Title 18 § 912 Possession of Weapon on School Property.
    (a) Definition.--Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section 907 (relating to possessing
    instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife,
    cutting instrument, cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument or
    implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

    (b) Offense Defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a weapon in the
    buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or
    secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by
    the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.

    Much is posted and discussed re firearms in school properties, but I don't recall discussions making me realize that the penknife I have carried since age 10 carries the same penalty as a firearm. And "implement capable" is ridiculously broad. The factory-supplied tire iron in my trunk needs to be gone?
    Do not forget that the car has killed more people than all the other listed items combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Wow. Just clicked on the site ^ and read:

    Title 18 § 912 Possession of Weapon on School Property.
    (a) Definition.--Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section 907 (relating to possessing
    instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife,
    cutting instrument, cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument or
    implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

    (b) Offense Defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a weapon in the
    buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or
    secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by
    the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.

    Much is posted and discussed re firearms in school properties, but I don't recall discussions making me realize that the penknife I have carried since age 10 carries the same penalty as a firearm. And "implement capable" is ridiculously broad. The factory-supplied tire iron in my trunk needs to be gone?
    Depends..... re: the Goslin case which was discussed a lot on the site.

    https://www.ammoland.com/2017/07/pen...wful-purposes/

    Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- In Pennsylvania, it is illegal to possess a weapon on school grounds. There are broad exceptions. From 18 Pa.C.S. 912(c):

    (c) Defense.–It shall be a defense that the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction with a lawful supervised school activity or course or is possessed for other lawful purpose.

    The words are clear. The meaning is plain. As a father, Andrew Goslin brought a pocketknife to school and showed it to school administrators to demonstrate the silliness of their no pocketknives policy.

    The police were called, Goslin was arrested. The case went all the way to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court (called the Superior Court in Pennsylvania).

    On 16 February, 2017, the Superior Court of Pennsylvania correctly decided to uphold the plain language of the law. From Commonwealth v. Goslin (pdf):

    We conclude that the language of Section 912(c), though broad, is unambiguous, and that Appellant possessed his pocketknife on school grounds for “other lawful purpose.” Therefore, we vacate Appellant’s Judgment of Sentence and order a new trial.4

    It did not take long for another law abiding citizen to be saved from the clutches of overzealous bureaucrats: From delcotimes.com:

    Jordan was charged with a single count of possessing a weapon on school property. That charge was withdrawn Friday, however, due to new guidance from the Pennsylvania Superior Court in another case, Commonwealth v. Goslin.

    That opinion, filed Feb. 26, stated that carpenter Andrew Goslin brought a work knife with him to a meeting at an elementary school. He was found guilty of possessing a weapon on school property during a bench trial, but appealed the verdict.

    The statute provides that “it shall be a defense that the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction with a lawful supervised school activity or course or is possessed for other lawful purpose,” according to the opinion.

    Goslin argued on appeal that the trial court misread the statute to require that the “other lawful purpose” must be related to the reason that the possessor is on school property. The Superior Court agreed and vacated the conviction.

    Jordan had a legally possessed pistol in his backpack. He has a valid Pennsylvania concealed carry permit.

    The Superintendent of the school, Daniel G.l Nerelli is a typical waffling bureaucrat. He says he supports the Second Amendment… but … In other words, he only supports the Second Amendment when he finds it convenient to do so. From delcotmes.com:

    Whelan said he supports the Second Amendment, but does not agree with the law as written and would raise the issue with local legislators to see if it can be amended.

    It is only recently that guns and knives have been considered “forbidden” in schools. They were fairly common in schools when I was growing up. The Federal government started to encourage schools to ban guns in 1990 and 1994.

    After those bans were put into effect, mass school shootings increased 440 percent.

    Bans on guns and knives in schools do not increase school safety. They are emotionally driven, and have the intention of delegitimizing the exercise of the Second Amendment.

    The Pennsylvania Superior Court ruling in Commonwealth v. Goslin is an appropriate and commonsense step away from eviscerating the rule of law.

    ©2017 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.
    Proof Armed citizens make a difference. http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012

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