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Thread: "Sanctuary Counties" in PA.
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January 26th, 2020, 12:28 AM #21Super Member
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Re: "Sanctuary Counties" in PA.
This. We must find a way to put aside any differences and stand united. We must build a broad coalition to support the 2A. It must be a right for all people, defended by all people.
The opposition is able to put aside its differences. If we cannot, then we will lose.
Stand together. No compromise!I am not a lawyer.
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January 26th, 2020, 01:11 AM #22Active Member
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It is a strange situation in PA because the SASO says..we, the county, are making a law that says we don't acknowledge your new state or local law which violates the original state law (RTKBA shall not be questioned and preemption). And on top of that, the law enforcement hierarchy in PA is local and then PSP. The county sheriffs have no real teeth in law enforcement. So they wouldn't be the ones enforcing a potential confiscation law. The local and PSP would be executing confiscation orders and are not subject to county laws. State constables and county sheriffs are the only elected "law enforcement" but are not really law enforcement. ...local yokels and PSP are hired/paid jackboots and work for the executive offices which enforce local and state laws...
It makes my brain hurt.
It's a very fucked up legal situation..but I like the idea that SASOs get people involved. We might be wrong and pissing in the wind...but you will hear us!!!
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January 26th, 2020, 07:43 AM #23
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Yeah, as a constable I really can't imagine a case where I would be called on to enforce a new anti-gun law. While we can arrest if we see a felony being commited, the powers that be would much rather we didn't actually do so, and instead just call local police or the PSP and 'be a good witness' instead. So while I would be happy to not enforce obviously unconstitutional laws, I can't see where it would ever come up where I was asked to.
Good luck!
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January 26th, 2020, 08:57 AM #24Grand Member
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My question is who is going to fight this fight in the courts when it gets challenged? We all know the final arbitrator will be the courts. Who's got the Bloomsburg money to fight the challenge?
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January 26th, 2020, 09:04 AM #25
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Generally speaking, I'm quick to join the fight against unconstitutional laws and executive orders. I also love commandeering Leftist tactics like 'sanctuary cities' and turning them against the Left. But once I'm past the emotion on this issue, I have no choice but to oppose 2A sanctuary efforts in PA.
I believe that our best defense, long term, is strengthening preemption. I can say from first hand experience in lobbying D's to support HB1066, they get ill when I bring it up. It's like splashing Holy Water on a demon. :-) They immediately go to "that means an outside organization like the NRA could sue". That tells me that they do not fear local organizations, probably because they know they will outlast them in terms of litigation costs.
In any case, I'd prefer to see all of us, including GOA just stick to pushing HB1066. With Turzai leaving, if we win big in the House this fall, we would have a chance at a veto-proof majority vote.Help us restore election integrity in PA. Join PA Voters United
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January 26th, 2020, 09:06 AM #26Grand Member
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Valid point.
Municipality ignores higher (federal) law (immigration): We yell 'Get the pitchforks and torches!'
Municipality ignores higher (state) law (guns): We yell: 'We're doing the right thing!'
Above my pay grade, but there seems to be a bit of hypocrisy there. I'm not saying I agree with any state level legislation furthering restrictions, bans, etc. but it is making up a local law the preempts a state law, just in the opposite philosophical/political direction. We have to abide by the same rules.
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January 26th, 2020, 10:32 AM #27Junior Member
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Re: "Sanctuary Counties" in PA.
The PA Second Amendment Sanctuary was started March 2019 in Pike County . The mission statement is “No County Manpower , Money , equipment , or facilities “ will be used to enforce any new state or federal laws within a county . If the state or feds want to enforce the laws they have to bring their own resources . We refuse to use our tax dollars to enforce new gun laws against ourselves !! For anybody out there saying we are violating ”Preemption Law “you are wrong . No where in the law says we can’t have a local law refusing to use our tax dollars.The preemption law says local or county can’t make laws regulating firearms , mags , or ammo which our ordinance doesn’t even touch . This ordinance will be the same for every county in PA so politicians stop lying to the people saying the ordinance will change gun laws from county to county and that we are violating the premption law. All Gun Groups need to work together to protect our rights and stop bashing what others are doing . This movement has lit a fire under people’s butt to do something before it’s to late .Please support your counties SASO ! We are Pike County Strong !!!
Last edited by Bobrf250; January 26th, 2020 at 11:06 AM.
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January 26th, 2020, 12:10 PM #28
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Wow. In your very first post, you blow in here and act like this Pike County version is well known to all and is the defacto, statewide standard. Then you accuse those of us who don't necessarily support SASO in PA of being wrong, and probably of being politicians. Then you call for unity?
FYI, we are not bashing anyone. We are having what is called an adult conversation, in an attempt to sort out a very complex issue.Help us restore election integrity in PA. Join PA Voters United
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January 26th, 2020, 12:18 PM #29
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The use of a space in front of all punctuation looks familiar.
It could just be a coincidence though.I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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January 26th, 2020, 12:54 PM #30
Re: "Sanctuary Counties" in PA.
Si vis pacem, para bellumμολ ν λαβέWhat country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!
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