"Sanctuary Counties" in PA.

[Diggler]

With the 80% lower/frame debacle, and what is going on in Virginia right now, it seems more bad things are on the horizon.

The vast majority of Pennsyltucky is like the freedom loving areas of Virginia, and I could see the sanctuary county movement getting some traction, at least the idea.

However, wouldn't passing a sanctuary law at the county or local level also run afoul of the preemption statute? The preemption statute does not specify that localities only cannot enact more restrictive firearms laws locally, it just says that they can't enact any firearms laws locally.

So it seems to me that it would be almost impossible to get something like that moving in this state?

[alpacaheat]

A sanctuary status would not be imposing any new laws on gun ownership, therefore would not violate preemption. That's what preemption is designed to do, prevent local laws that violate state law.

The sanctuary status would do the exact opposite, it would theoretically PROTECT us from violations of the Constitution.

[Emptymag]

The constitution is the constitution. Pledging your loyalty to following it doesn't change it.

[unclejumbo]

VA has the advantage of county law enforcement being provided by local police and then county sheriffs. PA doesn't use sheriffs for law enforcement; local law enforcement and then the PA State Police who are under the "command" of the governor. The best you could hope for in PA would be some country judges and local PDs going along with it but PSP would enforce state law. It wouldn't have nearly the same impact it has in VA.

Our best bet is to not fuck up the way VA did and let the Dems take control of House, Senate and Governor.

[ExFlyinguy]

VA has the advantage of county law enforcement being provided by local police and then county sheriffs. PA doesn't use sheriffs for law enforcement; local law enforcement and then the PA State Police who are under the "command" of the governor. The best you could hope for in PA would be some country judges and local PDs going along with it but PSP would enforce state law. It wouldn't have nearly the same impact it has in VA.

Our best bet is to not fuck up the way VA did and let the Dems take control of House, Senate and Governor.

^Nailed it. No disrespect meant to Sheriffs but in PA they serve bench warrants, handle prisoner transport, and run the jail. They are basically limited to being Officers of the Court.

[icp4life162005]

^Nailed it. No disrespect meant to Sheriffs but in PA they serve bench warrants, handle prisoner transport, and run the jail. They are basically limited to being Officers of the Court.

Which is a damn shame that what should be the highest level of law enforcement has been neutered and leashed like a lap dog to the government.

[Bang]

Levels of commonwealth law enforcement is a fallacy. We used to laugh when someone attempted to threaten us by going over our heads to the state police.

[Bobrf250]

The PA Second Amendment Sanctuary was started March 2019 in Pike County . The mission statement is “No County Manpower , Money , equipment , or facilities “ will be used to enforce any new state or federal laws within a county . If the state or feds want to enforce the laws they have to bring their own resources . We refuse to use our tax dollars to enforce new gun laws against ourselves !! For anybody out there saying we are violating ”Preemption Law “you are wrong . No where in the law says we can’t have a local law refusing to use our tax dollars.The preemption law says local or county can’t make laws regulating firearms , mags , or ammo which our ordinance doesn’t even touch . This ordinance will be the same for every county in PA so politicians stop lying to the people saying the ordinance will change gun laws from county to county and that we are violating the premption law. All Gun Groups need to work together to protect our rights and stop bashing what others are doing . This movement has lit a fire under people’s butt to do something before it’s to late .Please support your counties SASO ! We are Pike County Strong !!!

[longcall911]

The PA Second Amendment Sanctuary was started March 2019 in Pike County . The mission statement is “No County Manpower , Money , equipment , or facilities “ will be used to enforce any new state or federal laws within a county . If the state or feds want to enforce the laws they have to bring their own resources . We refuse to use our tax dollars to enforce new gun laws against ourselves !! For anybody out there saying we are violating ”Preemption Law “you are wrong . No where in the law says we can’t have a local law refusing to use our tax dollars.The preemption law says local or county can’t make laws regulating firearms , mags , or ammo which our ordinance doesn’t even touch . This ordinance will be the same for every county in PA so politicians stop lying to the people saying the ordinance will change gun laws from county to county and that we are violating the premption law. All Gun Groups need to work together to protect our rights and stop bashing what others are doing . This movement has lit a fire under people’s butt to do something before it’s to late .Please support your counties SASO ! We are Pike County Strong !!!

Wow. In your very first post, you blow in here and act like this Pike County version is well known to all and is the defacto, statewide standard. Then you accuse those of us who don't necessarily support SASO in PA of being wrong, and probably of being politicians. Then you call for unity?

FYI, we are not bashing anyone. We are having what is called an adult conversation, in an attempt to sort out a very complex issue.

[Emptymag]

The use of a space in front of all punctuation looks familiar.
It could just be a coincidence though.