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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Question

    Don't give them a reason to run a check on your firearm, problem solved.
    Don't speed, don't jay-walk, don't look like the guy that just robbed the bank.

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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Question

    All guns come with a bill of sale, keep it as proof of purchase.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by john9001 View Post
    All guns come with a bill of sale, keep it as proof of purchase.
    That's fine. But if you are carrying your wife's gun the bill of sale is hers. And will show that way in the sales data base.
    Don't be an ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtwalker View Post
    Don't give them a reason to run a check on your firearm, problem solved.
    Don't speed, don't jay-walk, don't look like the guy that just robbed the bank.
    Just look like a good little subject and they hopefully won't have a reason to harass you? I think I'd rather just not get harassed due to me having inalienable rights and them respecting that.

    Quote Originally Posted by john9001 View Post
    All guns come with a bill of sale, keep it as proof of purchase.
    I agree this is a smart idea, but it's annoying in principle. The burden of proof should be on THEM to prove we aren't in lawful possession, not the other way around.

  5. #15
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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Question

    Quote Originally Posted by john9001 View Post
    All guns come with a bill of sale, keep it as proof of purchase.
    I keep everything, being able to find it is another story.
    Stupidity is inherited, ignorance is a choice.

  6. #16
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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Question

    Quote Originally Posted by john9001 View Post
    All guns come with a bill of sale, keep it as proof of purchase.
    the few receipts I have don't include the serial number...something like 'Rem 700' $xxx.xx Paid in Full...

    All of dad's stuff was even older and has no papers.....

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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    Sure but unfortunately winner does not get his thousands in legal fees back as part of the settlement. They suffer no penalties for violating our rights.
    No concern on my part, as I maintain records on my firearms, and I can ID my firearms appropriately.

    I'm just stating that as almost all of my firearms were NOT purchased as a PA resident, they won't have access to that bogus paperwork I am now required to fill out for PSP.

    I do understand what you are saying though.

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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Question

    Quote Originally Posted by normanvin View Post
    The answer is yes, but that does not mean an officer will not hassle her if he runs it and it does not show up in her name.

    Of course there is no registration. But they work off a sales database.

    I have seen this first hand. The husband was carrying the handgun and it was in the wife's name. The officer would only return it to the wife. This was at an open carry event.
    What if she was in the trunk ?
    Last edited by Frizratz; January 17th, 2020 at 09:29 PM.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizratz View Post
    What if she was in the trunk ?
    Then it would be a different type of event.
    Last edited by normanvin; January 18th, 2020 at 03:45 AM.
    Don't be an ass.

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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    Sure but unfortunately winner does not get his thousands in legal fees back as part of the settlement. They suffer no penalties for violating our rights.
    There is a provision in PA law which allows the judge in a "return of property" case to award attorney fees against any department which fails to return any seized or found gun to the rightful owner, in the absence of justification for NOT returning it.

    But you have to prove it's yours, either to the department or to the court.

    Your testimony is some evidence. The fact that they took it from your possession is some evidence. The absence of it being listed as stolen, or any other evidence of an improper transfer, is also evidence. A receipt from seller to you would be better. In a husband/wife case, you should probably be co-plaintiffs.

    But some judges, especially Philly judges, are reluctant to award fees. And you have to make the investment first, and hope to get it back later. Fronting $3K to get back your $250 gun is a hard choice.
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