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    I've seen people get pretty pissed at the axe work performed by firemen. I know...it's completely with a reason, but when your whole life is going up in flames, it's difficult to comprehend.

    And here in our township late 60s early 70s when Hell's Black Cobras were performing their arts, our volunteer firemen refused to enter certain areas without police being there first.
    Legislating to prevent people's acts is fantasy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Stopped for simply driving at 2am. Wrong. “Being in the wrong neighborhood.” Wrong. But your speeding needs a little context. 5 over on the interstate or through a residential neighborhood?

    And most people aren’t happy that they are being stopped. It’s part of the job. If I wanted people to like me, I would have been a firefighter.
    Stopped at 3:30 am, residential, and borough LEO. Reason, hugging the centerline on a single lane road. LEO thought he had a DUI. Field sobriety test, I'm on my way.

    I like taking tests, and even drunk (I wasn't), I could pass this.



    So what, LEO did his job, and no dogs were shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun View Post
    Stopped at 3:30 am, residential, and borough LEO. Reason, hugging the centerline on a single lane road. LEO thought he had a DUI. Field sobriety test, I'm on my way.

    I like taking tests, and even drunk (I wasn't), I could pass this.



    So what, LEO did his job, and no dogs were shot.
    Field sobriety tests are bullshit, designed to trick additional information out of you that you’re not required to give. Even sober individuals can’t stand on one foot while reciting the alphabet backwards. Every defense lawyer says to respectfully refuse and request a blood test, which you will eventually have to take anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKIII View Post
    Field sobriety tests are bullshit, designed to trick additional information out of you that you’re not required to give. Even sober individuals can’t stand on one foot while reciting the alphabet backwards. Every defense lawyer says to respectfully refuse and request a blood test, which you will eventually have to take anyway.
    This was in 1986.

    Only time I was ever suspected of drunk driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    I thought you guys were restricted to black cars.
    Depends on the horsepower....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueContact125 View Post
    Has anyone heard of the ATF coming to your home to check up on a firearm you purchased at an out of business gun shop? I just had this happen to me. 2 agents came to my home and asked to see a gun that I purchased in 2017 from Gander Mountain. I had since traded it in for something else. So now they are looking into that shop for it. Is this normal?
    Kind of makes sense. They are forward tracing a firearm.

    My guess would be that they recovered it from a crime scene, as WCMG said above.


    My reply would be to hand them the address of the shop where I traded it in. I'd offer them the bill of sale for the firearm. I do keep my paperwork on firearms. Just in case.

    Once they saw it go forward they would have no basis for a search/seizure. They could come back if nothing came of it, or they could go about their business.

    I don't care for the gun control lobby. The ATF staff are often pretty professional people. They can be hard cases. They can just be people doing their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKIII View Post
    Field sobriety tests are bullshit, designed to trick additional information out of you that you’re not required to give. Even sober individuals can’t stand on one foot while reciting the alphabet backwards. Every defense lawyer says to respectfully refuse and request a blood test, which you will eventually have to take anyway.
    So I understand that you can refuse the roadside physical challenges without penalty, but what about the field portable breathalyzer? There is something written in the law about that (can't find it).... can you refuse that with no penalty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royinmontco View Post
    So I understand that you can refuse the roadside physical challenges without penalty, but what about the field portable breathalyzer? There is something written in the law about that (can't find it).... can you refuse that with no penalty?

    In PA, implied consent law; https://dui.drivinglaws.org/resource...nnsylvania.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun View Post
    Yes, i know about implied consent for the cour admissable tests. I'm talking about the little pocket sized breathalyzers that they ask you to blow into on the side of the road.

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    What if the guy had a C&R license, I guess they're are going to come in?

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