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  1. #211
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    Quote Originally Posted by Marines55 View Post
    IM an FFL dealer and have received all of the documentation from the PSP on these. however, there are some very open ended wording on these forms that lends me to question them. first, I saw that the wording doesn't strictly state "80% receiver" which means this could also apply to any casting or billet that has not been machined in any way. it also does not strictly state any specific models such as AR, AK, GLOCK, etc. would this new law now encompass AK receiver flats? does it also encompass all of those Sten tubes with templates on them that were sold back in the 90s? does this now also include DUMMY machine guns, DUMMY sub guns, and dummy plates/tubes that have not been assembled into dummy/display guns? if it does, then this should also be communicated!
    It's not a law - hence why your questions can't really be answered

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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    Quote Originally Posted by jthrelf View Post
    It's not a law - hence why your questions can't really be answered
    for dealers it is. try selling them without doing paperwork and see where that "its not a law" gets you. while I completely understand the frustration on the behalf of those who buy unfinished receivers, dealers are frustrated even more as we can lose our license or be held up in legal action for violating this "not law". im not surprised of all of the confusion...after all it is PA and its a democrats ruling who knows nothing about firearms. perhaps I need to call PSP and ask them?

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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    This is one time a letter to the ATF for clarification might actually be a good idea.

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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    Quote Originally Posted by RockIsland View Post
    This is one time a letter to the ATF for clarification might actually be a good idea.
    Actually we could just use what that have already confirmed

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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    So you're a gun smuggler? Stop posting and consult an attorney.
    I'm past the statute of limitations
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  6. #216
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    Quote Originally Posted by RockIsland View Post
    This is one time a letter to the ATF for clarification might actually be a good idea.
    I can pretty much guarantee the ATF will respond with "FFL's are required to follow all federal, state, and local laws & regulations."

    Interesting the "Pennsylvania State Laws and Published Ordinances" have not been updated on the ATF website yet:

    https://www.atf.gov/file/117341/download
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    Quote Originally Posted by WCMG View Post
    I can pretty much guarantee the ATF will respond with "FFL's are required to follow all federal, state, and local laws & regulations."

    Interesting the "Pennsylvania State Laws and Published Ordinances" have not been updated on the ATF website yet:

    https://www.atf.gov/file/117341/download

    LAWS and REGULATIONS being the key words.
    Psalms 73:26

  8. #218
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    Quote Originally Posted by WCMG View Post
    I can pretty much guarantee the ATF will respond with "FFL's are required to follow all federal, state, and local laws & regulations."
    So, how does that work in relation to medical marijuana? Asking for a friend...
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  9. #219
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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    Quote Originally Posted by SigForLife View Post
    So, how does that work in relation to medical marijuana? Asking for a friend...

    from what the ATF is telling us.....any user of medical marijuana cannot legally purchase a firearm

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    Default Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS

    But the state law and regulation says it’s ok...which places ATF in a very difficult position if it’s going to contend that an FFL must comply with federal, state and local regulation. I’d love to see them claim this in relation to 80%ers and then say the same doesn’t apply to medical marijuana.
    Joshua Prince, Esq. - Firearms Industry Consulting Group - www.PaFirearmsLawyer.com

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