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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas


    IF Texas had any balls they would charge the DA and Judge that accepted the plea as accessories to murder. Likewise for whoever in Oklahoma who was supposed to report his involuntary, court ordered psychiatric commitment and failed to do so.

    Might not stick, but it damned well might. I think you can make a strong case.




    ELIZABETH — The gunman who killed two congregants at a Texas church last month had been charged years earlier with a felony gun offense in New Jersey, where prosecutors later downgraded the crime to a low-level misdemeanor that had nothing to do with firearms.

    Since the Dec. 29 shootout at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas, much has come out about Keith Thomas Kinnunen's criminal record, which seems to follow a pattern: He would get charged with serious, sometimes violent crimes, which later were pleaded down to less-consequential offenses.

    While plea deals are common in the criminal justice system in New Jersey and elsewhere, this case raises questions about the effectiveness of laws meant to bar certain people from buying or possessing guns.

    Despite Kinnunen's history of mental illness — including a 2012 judge's order declaring him unfit to stand trial — it does not appear his plea deals were enough to trigger legal provisions limiting gun ownership, which would apply in cases involving domestic violence and felonies.

    Linden police arrested Kinnunen in Sept. 12, 2016, after finding him with a 12-gauge shotgun, the same kind he used last month in the Texas church. Linden police said Kinnunen, who had been riding a bicycle near the Phillips 66 refinery, told them he was homeless and was taking photos of "interesting sites."

    He was charged with unlawful possession of a rifle/shotgun, a third-degree indictable crime that in other states would be called a felony.

    In January 2017, he accepted a plea deal finding him guilty of criminal trespass, a low-level misdemeanor that state law classifies as a petty disorderly persons offense.

    As part of the deal, a Superior Court judge in July 2017 sentenced him to 303 days of time served at Union County Jail and ordered him to forfeit his weapon.

    A spokesman for the Union County Prosecutor's Office last week defended the deal as "fully reasonable and legally appropriate."

    "The assistant prosecutor assigned to this case consulted with a member of the Union County Police Department Ballistics Unit, who determined that because the recovered weapon was missing a fundamental component, it was inoperable under the definition outlined in the applicable statute," the spokesman for the office said in a written statement.


    In this still frame from livestreamed video provided by law enforcement, churchgoers take cover while a congregant armed with a handgun, top left, engages a man who opened fire. (West Freeway Church of Christ/Courtesy of Law Enforcement via AP)
    In Oklahoma in 2011, Kinnunen was charged with felony assault and battery with a dangerous weapon after attacking the owner of a doughnut shop. He was also charged with arson in a separate offense in which he was accused of starting a fire at a cotton field with flaming tampons. Police also said that he forced his underage to throw around a flaming football.

    An Oklahoma judge in 2012 ruled him mentally incompetent to stand trial and committed him to a psychiatric facility. A year later, he pleaded guilty after the charges were downgraded to misdemeanors.

    In 2012, an ex-wife in Oklahoma filed for a protective order that described him as "a violent, paranoid person with a long line of assault and battery w/ and without firearms."

    Another ex-wife told The Associated Press that they divorced in 2011 after he got “more and more” into drugs that "messed with his head."

    In 2008, he was charged with aggravated assault in Texas. The charged was later downgraded to misdemeanor deadly conduct.

    On Dec. 29, Kinnunen walked into the packed White Settlement church wearing a fake beard and wig and opened fire, killing 67-year-old Richard White and 64-year-old Anton “Tony” Wallace. Kinnunen was then killed by a single shot by security volunteer Jack Wilson.

    The motive for the attack was unclear. The church had previously helped feed the shooter. The pastor told The Associated Press that Kinnunen was angry when the congregation declined to give him money.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.



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    Default NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

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    ELIZABETH — The gunman who killed two congregants at a Texas church last month had been charged years earlier with a felony gun offense in New Jersey, where prosecutors later downgraded the crime to a low-level misdemeanor that had nothing to do with firearms.

    Since the Dec. 29 shootout at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas, much has come out about Keith Thomas Kinnunen's criminal record, which seems to follow a pattern: He would get charged with serious, sometimes violent crimes, which later were pleaded down to less-consequential offenses.
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    Default Re: NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

    Nothing to see here, move along
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    Default Re: NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

    I wonder if they gave him bus fare and pocket $$ to leave like NY does?
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    Default Re: NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

    This is one to keep bookmarked and spoon fed to mad maddy and Chrissy houlahan.

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    Default Re: NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

    Find every entity responsible for him being free.....seek retribution

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    Default Re: NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

    Quote Originally Posted by mikelets456 View Post
    https://nj1015.com/nj-gave-texas-chu...ut-gun-felony/

    ELIZABETH — The gunman who killed two congregants at a Texas church last month had been charged years earlier with a felony gun offense in New Jersey, where prosecutors later downgraded the crime to a low-level misdemeanor that had nothing to do with firearms.

    Since the Dec. 29 shootout at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas, much has come out about Keith Thomas Kinnunen's criminal record, which seems to follow a pattern: He would get charged with serious, sometimes violent crimes, which later were pleaded down to less-consequential offenses.
    Your Thread title....meh...never mind.

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    Default Re: NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

    Quote Originally Posted by 2DogsBarking View Post
    Find every entity responsible for him being free.....seek retribution
    He isn’t me.

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    Default Re: NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

    Common sense law whose time has come:

    Attach any penalty which was plea bargained down to those responsible for said plea bargains. IOW, if a violent criminal is looking at 10 years but is plea bargained down to 2, attach whatever penalties are for the crimes committed in their 8 years to the judge who let the molester out.

    Doesnt get much more common sense than that.

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    Default Re: NJ gave Texas church gunman plea deal that wiped out gun felony

    Very surprised that NJ gun possession law addresses whether the gun is functional or not. Wonder if that same missing element can be applied to an 80% piece.
    Legislating to prevent people's acts is fantasy

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