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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by alpacaheat View Post
    The thing often forgotten is that our legislators are there to REPRESENT US. We can and should speak up when they're not representing us as we wish.

    This is part of the problem with government at all levels...the mindset is that they're "elected officials" now, not "elected representatives". Those who want government to rule over them (Democrats) and the elected themselves all see them as rulers over us, when it's supposed to be the opposite. We are to control them, not the other way around.

    Sometimes, some of them need a reminder.

    Their refusal to implement term limits is proof that they're in it to serve themselves, not serve the rest of us.

    I will tell them when they're wrong, or not on the same page with the rest of us.

    Even the best of them like Metcalffe can get distracted by the grandeur of the Capitol.
    Again, I must state that I believe there is a bit of a misunderstanding on this board as to what this rally is and who organizes it.

    This was always designed to lobby lawmakers and it is not organized by an elected official. It is organized by Daryl Metcalfe the individual, just as you or I might organize one. The difference is that as an office holder, he has an easier time reserving space and getting speakers to come, than you or I might.

    Some on this board don't like the flyer. Ok, that's fine. But to say that Metcalfe is "wrong" is in my view presumptuous. He is entitled to his view just as you are, to yours. He is very conservative. So am I. I happen to agree with him that socialism is the absolute threat and the true source of all of the gun-control pressure in h-burg. I understand that not everyone sees it that way, but that does not mean that those who do, are wrong.

    It is Metcalfe's annual rally. It is his flyer. He sees socialism as the enemy that we need to stop. People can disagree and can tell him so, but obviously, he has the right to his own opinion.

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    Even if he's doing this in a citizen's role, we'll accomplish more by working together than acting individually and not working with each other.

    When we attended the Senate Judiciary Hearing last year, there was no flyer made by any of the 2A organizations, so myself, Bern, Justin, EM all worked together on one. My first draft went through MANY changes before we agreed on the message and it ended up going out all over the State, even shared by some significant media people (Ken Matthews, fill-in host for Rush Limbaugh was one).

    That's the mindset the whole 2A community needs to adopt, working with each other for one message, not 16 different separate themes.

    No one is working against Metcalffe here, we all want to work WITH him and him with us.

    I'd hope he and everyone else involved would be open to listening to GOA, FOAC, PAFOA and a random gun owner who calls his office equally. We're all in this fight together and we're up against an opponent with unlimited Bloomberg money and a professional training protocol, basically robots. They won't get off message or take a vacation, they're being paid to destroy our rights.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by alpacaheat View Post
    Even if he's doing this in a citizen's role, we'll accomplish more by working together than acting individually and not working with each other.

    When we attended the Senate Judiciary Hearing last year, there was no flyer made by any of the 2A organizations, so myself, Bern, Justin, EM all worked together on one. My first draft went through MANY changes before we agreed on the message and it ended up going out all over the State, even shared by some significant media people (Ken Matthews, fill-in host for Rush Limbaugh was one).

    That's the mindset the whole 2A community needs to adopt, working with each other for one message, not 16 different separate themes.

    No one is working against Metcalffe here, we all want to work WITH him and him with us.

    I'd hope he and everyone else involved would be open to listening to GOA, FOAC, PAFOA and a random gun owner who calls his office equally. We're all in this fight together and we're up against an opponent with unlimited Bloomberg money and a professional training protocol, basically robots. They won't get off message or take a vacation, they're being paid to destroy our rights.
    I know that in fact, he is open to listening to GOA & FOAC. I don't know whether he knows of PAFOA. I suspect that there will be no modifications of this flyer this year, as thousands have been ordered and due in this week. I would suggest that at this year's event, a few of you stop in his office, see a staffer, and ask to be involved next year. It may or may not happen, but since you have an interest, you should certainly ask.

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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by longcall911 View Post
    I know that in fact, he is open to listening to GOA & FOAC. I don't know whether he knows of PAFOA. I suspect that there will be no modifications of this flyer this year, as thousands have been ordered and due in this week. I would suggest that at this year's event, a few of you stop in his office, see a staffer, and ask to be involved next year. It may or may not happen, but since you have an interest, you should certainly ask.




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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by longcall911 View Post
    Again, I must state that I believe there is a bit of a misunderstanding on this board as to what this rally is and who organizes it.

    This was always designed to lobby lawmakers and it is not organized by an elected official. It is organized by Daryl Metcalfe the individual, just as you or I might organize one. The difference is that as an office holder, he has an easier time reserving space and getting speakers to come, than you or I might.

    Some on this board don't like the flyer. Ok, that's fine. But to say that Metcalfe is "wrong" is in my view presumptuous. He is entitled to his view just as you are, to yours. He is very conservative. So am I. I happen to agree with him that socialism is the absolute threat and the true source of all of the gun-control pressure in h-burg. I understand that not everyone sees it that way, but that does not mean that those who do, are wrong.

    It is Metcalfe's annual rally. It is his flyer. He sees socialism as the enemy that we need to stop. People can disagree and can tell him so, but obviously, he has the right to his own opinion.
    It's not that you are wrong about "socialists" per se, it's that the OPTICS are HORRIFIC.

    I can't help it that you are unable to see that, but I'm going to resort to obscenities to get across just how fucking irresponsible, and moronic it is to put a motherfucking SMOKING GUN at the top of a gun rally flyer that implies KILLING SOCIALISTS.

    I don't give a flying FUCK what you or anyone else thinks about socialists - I despise them - hell, I despise liberals, so don't go thinking I'm some sort of namby-pamby snowflake who wants to be politically correct - the flyer IS A FUCKING DISGRACE and makes us all look like ASSHOLES.

    Saying you (you as in anyone reading) don't think that the flyer matters, that it only matters that people show up, is asinine - THE REASON FOR THE FLYER IS TO GET PEOPLE TO GO!
    AND IT'S A PATHETIC, EMBARRASSMENT!

    It's an advertisement that is supposed to be for a GUN RIGHTS RALLY, but that's NOT the message it's selling.

    This is not the same as "you should wear a suit". This is bad advertising.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    It's not that you are wrong about "socialists" per se, it's that the OPTICS are HORRIFIC.

    I can't help it that you are unable to see that, but I'm going to resort to obscenities to get across just how fucking irresponsible, and moronic it is to put a motherfucking SMOKING GUN at the top of a gun rally flyer that implies KILLING SOCIALISTS.

    I don't give a flying FUCK what you or anyone else thinks about socialists - I despise them - hell, I despise liberals, so don't go thinking I'm some sort of namby-pamby snowflake who wants to be politically correct - the flyer IS A FUCKING DISGRACE and makes us all look like ASSHOLES.

    Saying you (you as in anyone reading) don't think that the flyer matters, that it only matters that people show up, is asinine - THE REASON FOR THE FLYER IS TO GET PEOPLE TO GO!
    AND IT'S A PATHETIC, EMBARRASSMENT!

    It's an advertisement that is supposed to be for a GUN RIGHTS RALLY, but that's NOT the message it's selling.

    This is not the same as "you should wear a suit". This is bad advertising.
    Wow... really?

    I guess you really need to go round this circle again and won't quit until we do.

    You're bothered by a smoking gun. Oh well, not everyone interprets it as you do. Not everyone sees it as killing socialists. Some see it as stopping the ideology. You don't. OK. So be it. Don't like it? Don't use it. Go talk with Metcalfe's staff and try to get involved for next year.

    But, to sit here and do nothing but bitch and complain, over and over, about something you don't like is frankly a bit tiresome.

    It seems like some here would not be satisfied unless Metcalfe tore it all up and did what you want and if he doesn't, some here are all sorts of butt-hurt.

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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by longcall911 View Post
    Wow... really?

    I guess you really need to go round this circle again and won't quit until we do.

    You're bothered by a smoking gun. Oh well, not everyone interprets it as you do. Not everyone sees it as killing socialists. Some see it as stopping the ideology. You don't. OK. So be it. Don't like it? Don't use it. Go talk with Metcalfe's staff and try to get involved for next year.

    But, to sit here and do nothing but bitch and complain, over and over, about something you don't like is frankly a bit tiresome.

    It seems like some here would not be satisfied unless Metcalfe tore it all up and did what you want and if he doesn't, some here are all sorts of butt-hurt.

    It wouldn't hurt any if you were to stop defending it.

    LOL

    This is NOT about "butthurt".
    It's a shame you can't see that.
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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Wow, I had not even realized there was a smoking gun. It's not time for that quite yet, at least in PA.

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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    It wouldn't hurt any if you were to stop defending it.

    LOL

    This is NOT about "butthurt".
    It's a shame you can't see that.
    Oh I see.... I must bend to your opinion.

    You are right. Metcalfe is wrong. I am wrong for agreeing. Your view is correct and absolute.

    Yes, master. We're not worthy! LOL...


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    Default Re: Annual Harrisburg Rally - June 8, 2020 - Save the date

    Quote Originally Posted by longcall911 View Post
    Oh I see.... I must bend to your opinion.

    You are right. Metcalfe is wrong. I am wrong for agreeing. Your view is correct and absolute.

    Yes, master. We're not worthy! LOL...



    You aren't totally wrong, you just can't see the forest for the trees.

    It's far too late to do anything about this now, so I'll just leave it alone as much as I'm able to.
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