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December 18th, 2019, 05:32 PM #51
Re: Illegal reference check?
Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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December 18th, 2019, 05:46 PM #52Grand Member
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Re: Illegal reference check?
I just downloaded Erie County form. No references on it.
https://www.eriecountypa.gov/media/6...rie-co-ltc.pdf
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December 18th, 2019, 06:38 PM #53
Re: Illegal reference check?
My guess is that it applies to the "position" and whomever is filling the office as time goes on.
When my LTCF was revoked, my appeal challenged, by name, the guy who was in office, who actually issued the revocation letter (in November).
He was actually retiring, and when my hearing came around in January, the new sheriff, not named in my filing, had to show up in court. It was his third day in office. The retired sheriff was nowhere around. Local media had to go to his home to ask for a statement.Get your "Guns Save Lives" stickers today! PM for more info.
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December 18th, 2019, 08:42 PM #54Junior Member
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December 19th, 2019, 06:24 PM #55
Re: Illegal reference check?
That's a bold move for a Sheriff, given that by law, the PSP are given the responsibility/authority to promulgate the form.
Exceeding one's authority is just as bad when the result is "favorable" for gun owners as it is any other time. They can abstain from checking references without crossing the line and changing a form that they have no legal authority to alter.Get your "Guns Save Lives" stickers today! PM for more info.
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December 19th, 2019, 08:37 PM #56Grand Member
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December 20th, 2019, 01:12 PM #57
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gnbrotz is correct that the Erie form is an altered SP4-127 (10-2012) form in that it eliminated §29 regarding references. In checking 5 other counties at random, they all are still using the SP4-127 (10-2012) which includes the reference section unaltered.
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Chester - https://chesco.org/DocumentCenter/View/25989
Berks - http://www.co.berks.pa.us/Dept/Sheri...pplication.pdf
Lancaster - https://co.lancaster.pa.us/DocumentCenter/View/683
You are correct that the PSP website does not provide a copy of the generic form. I suspect that is because the public source for the form is the sheriff's office of application.
18 Pa CSA §6109(c)
(c) Form of application and content.--The application for a license to carry a firearm shall be uniform throughout this Commonwealth and shall be on a form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. The form may contain provisions, not exceeding one page, to assure compliance with this section. Issuing authorities shall use only the application form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police.IANAL
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December 21st, 2019, 12:25 PM #58Grand Member
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January 5th, 2020, 04:35 AM #59Junior Member
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Update: My friend finally got his LTCF this week. Hopefully Mr. Prince lit a fire under their asses to change their BS.
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January 5th, 2020, 04:44 AM #60Junior Member
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Re: Illegal reference check?
So, less than the 45 days required, but still a heck of a lot longer than the 5 minutes it should have taken. Plus mailing me an illegal form to fill out ....
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