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  1. #1
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    Default Small Preemption Violation Win

    Score for us! I contacted the Upper Providence administrator (Montgomery County) about some park signs stating that firearms were prohibited. As of today they have been addressed (in a timely manner I may add - about 2 weeks).

    Hello,

    I wanted to inform you that the rules and regulations sign at Longford Park on 100 Longford Road in Phoenixville is out of compliance. Specifically, it states that possession of firearms is prohibited.

    Pennsylvania's Uniform Firearms Act (UFA), section 6120(a), directs that "[n]o county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms . . . ." 18 Pa. C.S. 6120(a).

    Because the UFA does not specify any prohibition of firearms in parks, it is not legal for a township to post a sign that states anything contrary to the law. This section of the UFA is extremely important to law abiding citizens who carry firearms to prevent confusion and a patch work of laws across our state's many local governments.

    Instead of replacing the entire sign, the line about firearms can be permanently covered or altered to state something to the effect of "discharge of firearms is prohibited" or "unlawful possession of firearms is prohibited". But as it currently stands, the sign is illegal and a detriment to people who legally carry firearms.

    Please let me know your plans to address this issue. I appreciate your time!

    Thank you,
    jthrelf
    I received an immediate reply back saying she would look into it and let the parks dept know for all Upper Providence parks. Then today she got back to me again and said:

    I wanted to let you know that the firearm language on the park signs has been covered. This should bring this matter to a close. If you have any further questions, please let me know. Thanks.
    Small win, but a win nonetheless! Good for people who are less familiar with the law than members here or are new to carrying in Pennsylvania.
    Last edited by jthrelf; December 2nd, 2019 at 05:13 PM.

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Good work
    Gun control isn't about guns...it's about control

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Don't discount small wins for our side. Gun control has been enabled over time by small wins.
    Jimmy cracked corn and HE didn't care! Why should I?

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Small wins pile up and other jurisdictions may hear and cure problems with no prompting. Put enough grains of sand together and you have a beach.

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Some here disagree but discharge is also protected by preemption.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum
    μολ ν λαβέ
    What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Since when is regulation of "discharge" or "unlawful possession of firearms" permitted?
    Joshua Prince, Esq. - Firearms Industry Consulting Group - www.PaFirearmsLawyer.com

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Quote Originally Posted by SigForLife View Post
    Since when is regulation of "discharge" permitted?
    Since it's not prohibited by state law.
    And Joshua Price agrees.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum
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    What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Quote Originally Posted by SigForLife View Post
    Since when is regulation of "discharge" or "unlawful possession of firearms" permitted?
    I don't know either way. But I suggested that because it was a one word change and maybe that would more realistically prompt them to make any change at all. In any case, it seems the signs have been corrected in an undisputable manner with the entire line covered up.

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gixxer View Post
    Since it's not prohibited by state law.
    And Joshua Price agrees.
    LOL. Do you know who you replied to ?

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    Default Re: Small Preemption Violation Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    LOL. Do you know who you replied to ?
    If that is Joshua, then he already knows his stance on it. That's why I assumed it wasn't him because he would have known what he thinks right?

    It's easily Google'able. He argued that preemption protects discharge.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum
    μολ ν λαβέ
    What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!

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