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November 27th, 2019, 11:44 AM #11Grand Member
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Re: Va bill gun training a felony
With a growing divide between leftist run urban areas and right rural areas, I think potentially you could see states split internally at some point down the road. Rural Virginia hasn't changed much but the DC and Richmond urban area have had outside influxes from libtards from other states that know or care nothing about Virginia or anything about it.
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November 27th, 2019, 11:51 AM #12Grand Member
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Re: Va bill gun training a felony
Why is everyone upset. This is just a Virginia bill that may or not be passed. I guess people forget this kind of thing is already ILLEGAL in Pennsylvania.
2010 Pennsylvania Code
Title 18 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
5515 - Prohibiting of paramilitary training.
§ 5515. Prohibiting of paramilitary training.
(a) Definitions.--As used in this section the following
words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this
subsection:
"Civil disorder." Any public disturbance involving acts of
violence by assemblages of three or more persons, which causes
an immediate danger of or results in damage or injury to the
property or person of any other individual.
"Explosive or incendiary device." Includes:
(1) dynamite and all other forms of high explosives;
(2) any explosive bomb, grenade, missile or similar
device; and
(3) any incendiary bomb or grenade, fire bomb or similar
device, including any device which:
(i) consists of or includes a breakable container
including a flammable liquid or compound and a wick
composed of any material which, when ignited, is capable
of igniting such flammable liquid or compound; and
(ii) can be carried or thrown by one individual
acting alone.
"Firearm." Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be
converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive;
or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
"Law enforcement officer." Any officer or employee of the
United States, any state, any political subdivision of a state
or the District of Columbia and such term shall specifically
include, but shall not be limited to, members of the National
Guard, as defined in 10 U.S.C. § 101(9), members of the
organized militia of any state or territory of the United
States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico or the District of
Columbia, not included within the definition of National Guard
as defined by 10 U.S.C. § 101(9) and members of the armed forces
of the United States.
(b) Prohibited training.--
(1) Whoever teaches or demonstrates to any other person
the use, application or making of any firearm, explosive or
incendiary device or technique capable of causing injury or
death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or
intending that same will be unlawfully employed for use in,
or in furtherance of, a civil disorder commits a misdemeanor
of the first degree.
(2) Whoever assembles with one or more persons for the
purpose of training with, practicing with or being instructed
in the use of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device or
technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, said
person intending to employ unlawfully the same for use in or
in furtherance of a civil disorder commits a misdemeanor of
the first degree.
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November 27th, 2019, 11:55 AM #13
Re: Va bill gun training a felony
This is an interesting conversation that I'm having with an old Navy buddy that lives in Virginia, as I type this. He asked,
"What’s up Justin. Quick question. Do you think that after these proposed Virginia gun laws are enacted if they do pass that gun confiscation will occur in some way. If people like me don’t turn on them if that’s what’s required could they charge me with a felony and that would impact my background check to ensure I can remain a reactor operator and dominion employee. I see this snowball rolling really far in a bad way for us down here. I know you are active in gun rights. Any thoughts."
I responded,
"I don't think they'll go door to door, they don't have the resources for that. It'll be like any other contraband bust..., they catch you with it and deal with you individually. Similar to how they bust people for drugs at traffic stops, etc.
That being said, you just have to be smart about it and join in the fight from the legal perspective. There's the Virginia citizens defense league that you need to join https://www.vcdl.org/ They are leading the fight in Virginia and are succeeding with these "sanctuary countries." Also, on ar15.com, there's a lot of people making plans for stands against the government and such. I recommend at least following them so you can keep up to speed on what's going on. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Virginia/24/
I have hope that Viriginian voters will wake the fuck up and stop being lazy and get to the polls and turn this around in coming years. The fact that they allowed the state to go completely democrat is a travesty and antithetical to "sic semper tyrannis." I believe that if there's going to be mass non compliance and bloodshed, it's going to start in Virginia if the courts and elections don't turn it around.
I recognize that not everyone is able to risk a felony, especially us with our jobs, to "fight the man." I have personally not yet decided my "line" when PA eventually falls..., I'll still remain active in fighting them in the court, at the very least.
Good luck!"
He replied;
"Thanks Justin. Appreciate the supportive message. I haven’t been active on the social sites. And I won’t be. I even hesitated sending this message as it’s a sign I do still own the weapon. I must admit I’ve never voted. Various reasons but now I see how important it is. I will moving forward. Virginia that I live in is dominated by the mass populations in the north and East. I can impact a local election but it’s tough to impact the state elections because of it. I do have things on hand to defend my rights. And I’m fairly capable. You know me some. You know I’ve never rolled over for anyone. Virginia was a leader in our nations civil war. Maybe we will be called on again. Although modern times are so different than before. Not sure how it would go down. I’ll listen to your advice and maybe ask for more of time comes. I always used to respect your opinions. Take care. Don’t be afraid to give me a shout."
Right the fuck there, the bolded is the problem. I believe we have the same problem in our state.
My last reply;
"PA has a similar layout in that we have 2 population centers that control the entire state, Philly and Pittsburgh, and they're getting more liberal by the day. That's why I believe PA will eventually go the way of Virginia. Couple that with the people in the center of the state not turning out to vote and you have Virginia.
I know that not everyone can be active on the front lines, but we need at least everyone on our side voting, and I'm glad that your recognize the importance.
You don't have to be active on those sites, but you can follow along. I recommended keeping an eye on that ar15 forum just so you know what's happening. You don't have to have a login to do it (I don't believe)."
Elections have consequences, and Virginia is now suffering them. I hope that people in PA are paying attention.Life has a melody. Not great, not terrible.
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November 27th, 2019, 12:04 PM #14
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Si vis pacem, para bellumμολ ν λαβέWhat country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!
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November 27th, 2019, 12:11 PM #15Grand Member
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November 27th, 2019, 12:12 PM #16
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On that issue of people not voting...it is not just our side that doesn't vote, the dems have their share of slackers too and if 100% of eligible voters voted I would expect election outcomes to be the same as they are now.
Gender confusion is a mental illness
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November 27th, 2019, 12:17 PM #17
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Your interpretation of title 18 doesn't change anything and Article 1 Section 21 of our state constitution backs me up. You should read it sometime. I bet people are training all over and have been a long time, if they intend to employ unlawfully the same for use in or in furtherance of a civil disorder they'll get wrapped up. Intend to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state and it SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED. It's about as plain English as it gets.
Si vis pacem, para bellumμολ ν λαβέWhat country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!
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November 27th, 2019, 12:36 PM #18Grand Member
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I will have to look at it. But I am still not sure how the 2010 law could be passed if it was unconstitutional. It is still on the books.
But we both need to do some reading. Read the Va bill. It is identical to our PA law. Almost word for word. The claim it will stop all firearms education is BS.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That §18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as follows:
§18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.
A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:
1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or
2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or
3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
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November 27th, 2019, 12:45 PM #19
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