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    Default Re: Va bill gun training a felony

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHEMI View Post
    This is an interesting conversation that I'm having with an old Navy buddy that lives in Virginia, as I type this. He asked,

    "What’s up Justin. Quick question. Do you think that after these proposed Virginia gun laws are enacted if they do pass that gun confiscation will occur in some way. If people like me don’t turn on them if that’s what’s required could they charge me with a felony and that would impact my background check to ensure I can remain a reactor operator and dominion employee. I see this snowball rolling really far in a bad way for us down here. I know you are active in gun rights. Any thoughts."


    I responded,

    "I don't think they'll go door to door, they don't have the resources for that. It'll be like any other contraband bust..., they catch you with it and deal with you individually. Similar to how they bust people for drugs at traffic stops, etc.

    That being said, you just have to be smart about it and join in the fight from the legal perspective. There's the Virginia citizens defense league that you need to join https://www.vcdl.org/ They are leading the fight in Virginia and are succeeding with these "sanctuary countries." Also, on ar15.com, there's a lot of people making plans for stands against the government and such. I recommend at least following them so you can keep up to speed on what's going on. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Virginia/24/

    I have hope that Viriginian voters will wake the fuck up and stop being lazy and get to the polls and turn this around in coming years. The fact that they allowed the state to go completely democrat is a travesty and antithetical to "sic semper tyrannis." I believe that if there's going to be mass non compliance and bloodshed, it's going to start in Virginia if the courts and elections don't turn it around.

    I recognize that not everyone is able to risk a felony, especially us with our jobs, to "fight the man." I have personally not yet decided my "line" when PA eventually falls..., I'll still remain active in fighting them in the court, at the very least.

    Good luck!"


    He replied;

    "Thanks Justin. Appreciate the supportive message. I haven’t been active on the social sites. And I won’t be. I even hesitated sending this message as it’s a sign I do still own the weapon. I must admit I’ve never voted. Various reasons but now I see how important it is. I will moving forward. Virginia that I live in is dominated by the mass populations in the north and East. I can impact a local election but it’s tough to impact the state elections because of it. I do have things on hand to defend my rights. And I’m fairly capable. You know me some. You know I’ve never rolled over for anyone. Virginia was a leader in our nations civil war. Maybe we will be called on again. Although modern times are so different than before. Not sure how it would go down. I’ll listen to your advice and maybe ask for more of time comes. I always used to respect your opinions. Take care. Don’t be afraid to give me a shout."




    Right the fuck there, the bolded is the problem. I believe we have the same problem in our state.


    My last reply;

    "PA has a similar layout in that we have 2 population centers that control the entire state, Philly and Pittsburgh, and they're getting more liberal by the day. That's why I believe PA will eventually go the way of Virginia. Couple that with the people in the center of the state not turning out to vote and you have Virginia.

    I know that not everyone can be active on the front lines, but we need at least everyone on our side voting, and I'm glad that your recognize the importance.

    You don't have to be active on those sites, but you can follow along. I recommended keeping an eye on that ar15 forum just so you know what's happening. You don't have to have a login to do it (I don't believe)."






    Elections have consequences, and Virginia is now suffering them. I hope that people in PA are paying attention.
    He is reaping the fruit of his labor. Was a service man, never voted. That’s hilarious. Jen is right.
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    Default Re: Va bill gun training a felony

    Quote Originally Posted by Delkal View Post
    I will have to look at it. But I am still not sure how the 2010 law could be passed if it was unconstitutional. It is still on the books.

    But we both need to do some reading. Read the Va bill. It is identical to our PA law. Almost word for word. The claim it will stop all firearms education is BS.



    https://www.legiscan.com/VA/text/SB64/id/2070814
    I see, I didn't read all the wording of the VA bill, I only just responded to what caught my eye because I see it posted again and again. Like the VA bill and everything else it comes down to intent. If it didn't you could say bye bye to 3 gun competition, shooting rages in general and any meeting between more than 2 people while carrying the sidearm they carry on a daily basis. Gathering with people to improve a skillset is not a criminal act, unless you intend on committing a crime with that training. Just like the "lawful purpose" defense to carrying on school property, it is improperly assumed it's flat out no no. And of course you can get jammed up for just about anything but life just ain't long enough to walk on eggshells 24/7. Best thing we can do is help awareness among our peers who could very well be a part of that jury that can influence how these things are charged or dismissed.

    And yes, I am not a lawyer.
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    Default Re: Va bill gun training a felony

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gixxer View Post
    I see, I didn't read all the wording of the VA bill, I only just responded to what caught my eye because I see it posted again and again. Like the VA bill and everything else it comes down to intent. If it didn't you could say bye bye to 3 gun competition, shooting rages in general and any meeting between more than 2 people while carrying the sidearm they carry on a daily basis. Gathering with people to improve a skillset is not a criminal act, unless you intend on committing a crime with that training. Just like the "lawful purpose" defense to carrying on school property, it is improperly assumed it's flat out no no. And of course you can get jammed up for just about anything but life just ain't long enough to walk on eggshells 24/7. Best thing we can do is help awareness among our peers who could very well be a part of that jury that can influence how these things are charged or dismissed.

    And yes, I am not a lawyer.
    The proposed change reads: 3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

    Now imagine you and a friend are open carrying and some flake decides to call the police and announces that he/she 'feels intimdated'. Not that you did anything intending to do this, other than occupy space in the same vicinity. Some justice warrior DA decides to enforce this law by declaring that if the flake feels intimidated, you must have meant to cause it by the act of open carry and thus you need to be arrested, have your gear confiscated, and need to be prosecuted.

    Sadly in today's world that proposition is not as insane and far out there as we think it should be.
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    Default Re: Va bill gun training a felony

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Constitution Motherfuckers!
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Default Re: Va bill gun training a felony

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    On that issue of people not voting...it is not just our side that doesn't vote, the dems have their share of slackers too and if 100% of eligible voters voted I would expect election outcomes to be the same as they are now.

    I will disagree with this 300% because I work (and to a lesser extent live) right in the middle of democrat/liberal/leftist ground zero.
    I SEE with my eyes how mind-bogglingly ACTIVE they are at "getting out the vote".
    They don't just make phone calls - they go door to door in a BIG-ASSED way.
    They don't JUST knock on doors either - they inquire as to the ability of the voter to GET TO the polls and they make arrangements for said democrat to get there. They dedicate their own resources to getting an Uber to pick them up, or driving there themselves to do it.

    I've seen it several times in various neighborhoods throughout the city. I rake my leaves and prune my shrubs while listening in on the conversation taking place at those front doors.

    If what I've seen in the past is any indication, I expect war rooms to quadruple to defeat the president. There will be countless centers of operations set up with that goal in mind where small armies of young, liberals will attack every single block to get every possible democrat to the polls to vote.

    They are not sitting on their hands.

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    Default Re: Va bill gun training a felony

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gixxer View Post
    Your interpretation of title 18 doesn't change anything and Article 1 Section 21 of our state constitution backs me up. You should read it sometime. I bet people are training all over and have been a long time, if they intend to employ unlawfully the same for use in or in furtherance of a civil disorder they'll get wrapped up. Intend to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state and it SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED. It's about as plain English as it gets.
    A1S21 mentions nothing about militias as does the 2nd Amendment. I put A1S21 license plates on my car and truck and even pro gun people don't get it. Sad.

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