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October 31st, 2019, 11:27 AM #1Super Member
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Gun sniffing police dogs?
I read an article today that says some Connecticut police dogs have been trained to sniff out hidden guns and ammo. Link below.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...sniffing-dogs/
Anyone knowledgeable about how effective these dogs actually are? For those of us who are not qualified under HR 218, this puts concealed carry in non-permissive states in a whole new light. (Not that I or any of you would consider doing such a thing!) But nonetheless, I have talked to more than a few normally law abiding citizens male and female who would normally never do anything inappropriate with a firearm who say that the very small chance of a properly behaved citizen getting caught carrying concealed is vastly outweighed by the greater chance of getting robbed, stabbed or shot in some of the finer sections of the country.
So if you are appendix carrying your freshly cleaned snubbie which has not been fired recently, is the dog going to sniff it out while you're walking from a restaurant with your wife back to your parked car? What about if it is locked up in a metal case in your trunk as you travel from one legal location to another? Does a dog alert for a "gun" give probable cause to search your car? What about your pocket knife that you occasionally lube with a drop of gun oil? Cn they sniff that out too? Thoughts?
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October 31st, 2019, 11:42 AM #2
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If the dog was given the opportunity to sniff you, yes. The dog will most likely trigger on the smell of Hoppes just as easily as it will trigger on gunpowder, and both have a scent strong enough for humans to detect - meaning a dog should have no issue whatsoever.
Yes, the dog can sniff all of that out.
As for probable cause, that's a different story. I think it's been established in most if not all states that a drug dog getting a hit constitutes probable cause. But guns are different than drugs - they're legal. In most places, the fact that a dog detects you have guns on your person/in your car does not indicate/suggest that a crime has been/is being/will be committed, and therefore does not present probable cause without additional information (felon status, for example). But the cops in the anti states won't care about this detail, so you'll be left trying to argue that in court.
IANAL.
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October 31st, 2019, 12:21 PM #3Super Member
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Re: Gun sniffing police dogs?
Just watch 'North woods law" and the like; the all have dogs trained to find shotgun wads, etc.
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October 31st, 2019, 12:44 PM #4
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I have a Golden retriever and he can definitely sniff out my CCW when I carry. He learned the smell since being a puppy and his cage being next tot he safe. He would smell the safe every time I opened it. When I carry, he bumps my waist area...pretty smart for a dog...
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October 31st, 2019, 12:49 PM #5Grand Member
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Re: Gun sniffing police dogs?
Dogs can be trained to detect anything.
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October 31st, 2019, 12:51 PM #6Grand Member
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No creation of man can compare to the effectiveness of a dogs nose.
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October 31st, 2019, 02:00 PM #7Grand Member
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Re: Gun sniffing police dogs?
Watch Live PD one time. Those dogs might be able to smell drugs,guns, keys to a 74 Gremlin, whatever. They can certainly ‘sit’ on visual command. That ‘sit’ is then automatically(and criminally) construed as ‘ oh look, my doggie alerted on your civil rights flying out of the window’.
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October 31st, 2019, 02:06 PM #8
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And that would eventually construct a percentage of false alarms. Given enough false alarms the "hit" of a dog would become unreliable and useless in the obtaining of probable cause. Thus, that scenario is not likely to occur.
There are two kinds of guns. Those I have acquired, and those I hope to.
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October 31st, 2019, 02:32 PM #9
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If they can detect cancer I'm sure they can detect guns.
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