Remington Rolling Block Rifle?

[bravo30]

anybody have any info on this Rolling Block? i cant see any marks other than the brass tag on the stock. the rifle measures 50'' with a roughly 33.5'' barrel. the hammer is loose but half cocks and the breech wont open

[DukeConnor]

You should probably post this on a gun forum

[bravo30]

i found a British Crown mark and whatever markings that were on the tang are completely worn away with only the first letter ''P'' remaining


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[bravo30]

You should probably post this on a gun forum

i might have been better off posting this in the lounge on friday night lol

[bravo30]

Remington Spanish Model



Remington Spanish ModelAdvertised commercially from 1875 through 1902, this .43 Spanish caliber Remington Rolling Block accounts for largest number of production, with something over 1.5 million sold from 1869 to 1910. A tremendous amount of variation exists here, with differences as indicated below. Original Spanish Contract Model. Spain purchased over 90,000 rifles in three contracts from 1869 to 1873. Early slot extractor, three-band rifle with no provision for saber bayonet lug, leaf adjustable rear sight, spring held barrel bands. All have REMINGTON ILION, NY address and are found with various locally applied Spanish government and Cuban garrison markings. Those having 75 percent case colors or more will reap the higher price accordingly. First-year contract version with its concave breech-block is scarce and will reap a 50 percent premium depending on condition. Those Remington Spanish Model rifles of the Third and final contract were overproduced by several thousand more than Spain had originally ordered for the 1873 contract. In reality, Spain cancelled the receipt of close to 5,500 .43 Spanish-caliber rifles remaining in the contract, as the in-country licensed production had caught up with demand. Among the known purchasers of the surplus Spanish Model rifles was Meiji Era Japan, which since 1868 had made at least three sizeable orders of the surplus Remington rolling block rifles of the 1868 Swedish contract. In 1873, Japan ordered close to 2,400 of the Spanish Model rifles but demanded they be reamed and re-chambered to its in-country Remington caliber of 12.11mm Swedish Remington centerfire. In 1881, about 978 rifles were sold to the Kingdom of Korea with the remainder sold as surplus to Hong Kong in 1885. These are very scarce variations and practically all are stamped with the Japanese Kanji characters of “Surplus/Disposed Rifle” with a Japanese/Chinese character numeration on the right side of the chamber. They are otherwise identical to the original second and third Spanish contract rifles, aside from the 12.11mm chambering. Few of these have survived and no more than three have been viewed by the author, but it is certain there are more in circulation. Many may well have been re-chambered during the 1960s re-barreling craze of surplus rolling block rifles and carbines. Prices for these three-band rifles are basically high in any condition. — George Layman.

[Ecclectic Collector]

Nice to see a thread on a historic rifle here in the PAFOA. Moderators may end up moving it to the rifle thread, but I digress.

The Rolling Block was the AK of the 19th century, widely exported by Remington and also built overseas by a wide range of countries. It sure looks like a Spanish Model, but is it? If the bore mikes to .437-.439 it is one of the 11mm models, though there were several different 11mm cartridges (none interchangeable) made for the rolling block. The crown marking also offers a clue, though that can be hard to tell since so many different countries back then were ruled by monarchs. Perhaps researching crown gunmark images would be a path you could follow. There are a few websites devoted to gun stamps and markings too.

[DukeConnor]

Glad you figured it out. Great rifle. Enjoy