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    Just collecting stories about Red Flag abuse. The Second Amendment Foundation has yet to learn of one that suitably presents the sort of abuse that would raise constitutional issues. So I figured I would start gathering information along these lines. Share if you have any.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/84-yea...-red-flag-law/

    https://youtu.be/VJB_EE3R-sg

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    https://nj1015.com/nj-cops-came-to-c...fety-dad-says/

    This is the one from New Jersey where a school called police when a student made statements about school security being weak.

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    I don't know that I would call it abuse since this is exactly what red flag laws are intended for.
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    84-Year Old Korean War and Police Veteran, School Crossing Guard Has Guns Confiscated Under ‘Red Flag Law’
    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/84-yea...-red-flag-law/

    Local residents of a Martha’s Vineyard town in Massachusetts are up in arms after a revered school crossing guard has had his legally owned guns and carry license confiscated by police.

    Stephen Nichols is an 84-year old Korean War veteran who served as a police officer of Tisbury, Massachusetts for six decades. He’s been employed as a school crossing guard of the Tisbury School, until recent termination as a result of the same unclear incident that’s resulted in the red flag gun seizure executed against him.

    Local reports indicate that Nichols had criticized a local school resource officer in a manner that was interpreted as a threat by the officer and local law enforcement. Nichols was evidently unhappy that the resource officer was taking coffee breaks when children were arriving at school in the morning.

    Nichols invoked his Korean War service as his rationale for his displeasure with the unnamed school resource officer when speaking with the Martha’s Vineyard Times, stating his belief that such integral personnel should remain ‘on-post’ at all times in order to ensure the safety of Tisbury School students.
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    Nichols expressed his concern that someone could “shoot up” the school while the resource officer was off-post in a conversation with a friend at a local restaurant a few weeks ago. The conversation was apparently heard by a waitress, who made a police report. Shortly after, Nichols was fired as a crossing guard while on the job, after which police drove him to his house to collect his legally owned firearms. He claims to have held a Massachusetts concealed carry permit for more than fifty years that was promptly taken by police. Nichols states that no paperwork or documentation was provided to him after the red flag gun seizure.

    The owner of the Linda Jeans’ restaurant in which Nichols was speaking over his concerns in regards to school security has called the police treatment of the 84-year old “outrageous.” He believes one of his employees overreacted by making a police report.

    Tisbury police have steadfastly refused to discuss any details of the case when approached on the matter by local Massachusetts media.

    Nichols has 11 grandchildren, and told the Martha’s Vineyard Times that he “would never, ever, ever, harm a child.”

    Barring the release of totally game-changing new information in this case, it appears that the Tisbury police have acted in an outright disgraceful manner in tarring a man who appears to be a venerable senior American and patriot as a criminal threat to the lives of innocents. It appears extremely dubious that Nichols would have threatened the lives of Tisbury students, instead expressing his concern in a private conversation that an absent school resource officer was leaving them vulnerable.

    A call made to the Tisbury Police Department was unanswered late Sunday evening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ett View Post
    84-Year Old Korean War and Police Veteran, School Crossing Guard Has Guns Confiscated Under ‘Red Flag Law’
    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/84-yea...-red-flag-law/
    How doesn't this qualify as unconstitutional and government overreach? I wish there was a way to help this man who sounds to be an upstanding citizen and a true American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raxar View Post
    I don't know that I would call it abuse since this is exactly what red flag laws are intended for.
    I get your point, but the authors of these laws falsely claim otherwise. Bottom line is that these laws will eventually be used to persecute citizens just for owning firearms. I always believed these laws were going to be the basis upon which general confiscation would be constructed. I asked Alan Gottlieb about it this weekend at the Rod of Iron Festival. He basically said that they have looked at some possible cases but none so far have presented the sort of fact pattern that would support a viable lawsuit. This includes two years of experience in California, and more recently in Washington State and in Florida, which has produced the most confiscations. Thus far there seems to be no discernable pattern that judges are behaving with disregard for the rights of the accused.

    In Cali that may change as they have greatly expanded the reach of their existing Red Flag law (something that you knew was going to happen and will occur with each new legislative session in each of the Red Flag states). It is only a matter of time before the abuse sets in so I thought I start paying closer attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ett View Post
    84-Year Old Korean War and Police Veteran, School Crossing Guard Has Guns Confiscated Under ‘Red Flag Law’
    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/84-yea...-red-flag-law/
    This.

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    The real "red flags" are the red flag laws themselves.

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    Here is the Gunsamerica.com article on the 84-year-old Korean War Vet, ex-policeman:


    https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/f...s-confiscated/

    The poster in the comments section who said he thought the police chief was covering for the School Resource Officer who was leaving his post, more than likely, is spot-on.

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    84 year old. Walks a fine line. 1-firearms are the only tool to defend themselves for the aged, women and handicapped. 2- The starting of dementia or other brain failures.

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