Question About Buying A Long Gun In PA

[abner13]

I seem to recall that a few of the mass shooters bought their firearms at a gun show or through private sales on a handshake. It would seem that if anyone is providing ammunition for the anti-gun people to use against us is those that willingly sell to someone without doing the slightest bit of due diligence.

aka , the LOOPHOLE.

[Gun]

Not a legal requirement. It is a common sense requirement.

If a person can’t be bothered to get a carry permit, or can’t qualify for one, I don’t want them walking around with a gun I used to own. It is pretty simple.

Selling you my gun is not required by state law either, and yet you are proposing it is something I might do anyway.

free, taking a whack at the dead horse (and it certainly is dead).

[Emptymag]

I got this far (your intro was hilarious, as you still have NO arguments, yet), so let me explain the reasonableness of belief.

Showing an LTCF by the buyer, demonstrates a REASONABLE BELIEF the buyer is NOT PROHIBITED. PICS is much the same. It only applies to prohibiting acts that are already in the system.

It's sad that this has been explained before and you keep circling around the same thought that we do the work of the government, when in fact, WE DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE ANY LAWS, thus having our own RTKBA stripped.


This shit really isn't that complicated. Take NOTES if you have too.

Explain to me how "we" are violating any law by not asking to see someone's LTCF.

Just one law - I'll make it easy.

[DavidH]

Explain to me how "we" are violating any law by not asking to see someone's LTCF.

Just one law - I'll make it easy.

It’s not that a law has been violated. Thing is, if you sell a firearm no questions asked, to a person who uses it to commit a crime, than you can guarantee being questioned by authorities if its traced back to you. And they will attempt to find some wrong-doing to bring charges against you.


Wait... Emptymag, are you supporting Maryland Guy’s argument here? Or are you simply playing devils advocate?

[free]

free, taking a whack at the dead horse (and it certainly is dead).

i like to whack.

And I’m not particularly fond of horses.

And if I were going to paste a picture next to the dictionary definition of “moron”, I don’t have to look far to find an excellent candidate. Just sayin... (;

[gnbrotz]

It’s not that a law has been violated. Thing is, if you sell a firearm no questions asked, to a person who uses it to commit a crime, than you can guarantee being questioned by authorities if its traced back to you. And they will attempt to find some wrong-doing to bring charges against you.


Wait... Emptymag, are you supporting Maryland Guy’s argument here? Or are you simply playing devils advocate?

DavidH, do you support mandatory "universal" background checks? If not, why not?

[DavidH]

DavidH, do you support mandatory "universal" background checks? If not, why not?

No, because I believe our existing federal laws are adequate. They simply must be better enforced! The problem as I see it, is the same group of persons who want MORE gun laws, are the same people who let criminals off! That would be demoncrats! But a personal transaction between two people is entirely different. Both should look to protect themselves.

[GunLawyer001]

I'm surprised that nobody has used the default response from the open-rifle-carrier faction; why do we demand an LTCF before selling a long gun to a stranger? Because we can; because it's our right; am I being detained?

[gnbrotz]

No, because I believe our existing federal laws are adequate. They simply must be better enforced! The problem as I see it, is the same group of persons who want MORE gun laws, are the same people who let criminals off! That would be demoncrats! But a personal transaction between two people is entirely different. Both should look to protect themselves.

If existing laws are adequate, why so much hate (not directed specifically at you) for those who suggest not going beyond that? It smells a whole lot like "I think open carry should be legal, but I don't think you should do it, because if you do it, people will be uncomfortable, and then it will be outlawed."

What I see is a bunch of gun owners independently creating a circumstance that they would vocally oppose if the law mandated the very same thing.

Makes ZERO sense to me.

[DavidH]

A private individual selling a firearm, who asks to see an LTCF or at least a DL, has no AGENDA at hand! That person is simply looking to protect themselves & their own. Our demoncrat house attempting to pass new gun laws, absolutely has an agenda! It has nothing to do with protection, and everything to do with disarming & controlling the public! PERIOD!

I certainly haven’t seen any evidence of anyone wanting to open carry, but frowning on others doing it! I love seeing others using their Rights! I would only frown on bad behavior.