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    Default Re: Knife question , opinion , etc

    Knives and knife carry is still up to whatever ordinance a locality might pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferG View Post
    As far as the Ka-Bar TDI goes it doesn't open automatically and being that it is a knife it can be used for various legal tasks not excluding self defense. The PA law states a dagger is only illegal if the blade is exposed in an automatic way. That can be interpreted in many ways by courts where the judge only knows about using steak knives on his filet mignon. Judges can make their own laws in this day and age so be aware of that. Philadelphia and other municipalities can make up their own bullshit laws about knife carry because they aren't preempted by the State. Philadelphia does have the law about the purpose of a knife being legal or illegal.

    I wouldn't carry anything other than some kind of non pocket clip folder in Philly. I'm no lawyer and don't claim to be one so if you have a legal question rather than take advice from non lawyers you should ask a lawyer that has some experience in PA knife laws.
    ^^^this^^^

    Is the way I read the law also. Doesn't mean a judge can't/won't impose his own opinion, but there's plenty of lawful reasons I can think of to carry a small fixed blade knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boondox View Post
    In my looking at PA knife law stuff on google .... I seemed to have run into an area where .... the court .... not I ..... deemed a blade that did not have a legit use .....
    And the the court ..... not I .....did not seem to recognize a knife designed for fightin a legit use ......as being illegal to carry
    If you can find the court case I'd be interested in reading it. Would be interesting to see where it was from and when. Also if it was an appealet decision or not, that would determine if it would be used as case law for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R L Suehr View Post
    ^^^this^^^ but there's plenty of lawful reasons I can think of to carry a small fixed blade knife.
    I had googled PA knife laws and somewhere within there they would come up...
    also ...... the "lawful reason to carry a knife" did not seem to be in question
    it seemed to be the particular "type of knife" that was being question as to whether it was legal to carry.
    As in it was not a knife that had a lawful purpose ....according to the court.... a knife designed for self defense did not seem to be a lawful enough reason for the court.
    You and I both understand a knife can be used for anything .. but we were not the one to decide on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by abner13 View Post
    Knives and knife carry is still up to whatever ordinance a locality might pass.
    I am keeping that in mind also , thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by R L Suehr View Post
    If you can find the court case I'd be interested in reading it. Would be interesting to see where it was from and when. Also if it was an appealet decision or not, that would determine if it would be used as case law for anything.
    This is certainly not everything and I did not bookmark my findings and the amount of info abounds and if you look for a bit there is a bunch of stuff but but just as a starter ..............I copy and paste

    The knife was A sheath knife featuring a handle that could be locked either perpendicular to the axis of the blade or straight in line with the blade ... not one I see as illegal per the law we keep repeating here............ but I could be wrong
    And as I understand it .... This case also ruled that "self-defense" is not a valid "lawful purpose" because the court felt that would invalidate the entire point of the law in the first place.



    Commonwealth v Lawson, 977 A2d 583 (2009).

    The defendant was the subject of police intervention in response to a disturbance involving weapons at a convenience store. He was charged with possession of an instrument with no common lawful purpose. At the trial, the prosecution presented an expert witness whose qualification was three decades of experience in selling knives as a sporting goods retailer. His opinion was that the knife had no lawful purpose. He conceded it could be used for whittling or field dressing of game but would be awkward for such tasks. The conviction at trial was upheld on appeal where the court observed that a conceivable lawful purpose can be offered for almost any item which is insufficient to establish common lawful use.
    Last edited by Boondox; September 22nd, 2019 at 08:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boondox View Post
    [...] the court observed that a conceivable lawful purpose can be offered for almost any item which is insufficient to establish common lawful use.
    Someone ought to inform this statist judge -- that's not how this whole freedom thing works -- powers reserved to the people and all that.

    Why the f must lawful use be common anyway? That makes innovation and invention downright dangerous! Seems like one should also be able to argue uncommon lawful use should be protected as speech. Note my disclaimer in my sig line.

    Get your damn laws off of my freedom! JMHO
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    If I was to wear these open carry to Walmart think they'd be a little skeerd and call the policeman?.

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    What you can use something for and what it’s purpose is are not necessarily the same thing.

    I would venture a guess that both a cop and a DA will be happy to explain the difference to you in front of a judge and jury.

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    Just more Libtard Nanny nonsense,

    Can I carry a butter knife??
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