Carrying Multiple Firearms

[buxbandit]

The guy is an idiot and is 100% wrong.


I've carried 3 holstered pistols to the range on my body once.



Welcome to the site, I see that's your first post.

I hadn't ever thought to do that, but will on my next trip to the range.

[alpacaheat]

I hadn't ever thought to do that, but will on my next trip to the range.

That day. it was:

*Smith 4006 OWB at 3:00.
*Bersa Thunder IWB at 5:00
*Ruger LCP pocket holser
*Spare Mag for each in jacket pocket

Walk up to the pistol range, enpty one with spare mag...reholster and move to the next one...and repeat. Saves a lot of time switching between firearms this way, and provides valuable drawing/reholstering/backup gun training.

[Gunsnwater]

Howdy Folks,

Recently, I went to a local gun store here in town and was looking to buy another firearm to use as a backup. One that if SHTF, I could store in my bug out backpack. When explaining this to the store manager, he said that the PA carry license only allows the carrying one pistol at the time, and rifles aren't allowed to be carried. (I wasn't even asking about rifles). He followed saying "If you want to carry more than one at a time, that you should get a new hobby". REALLY? While, I like guns, It's way more than a hobby. To me, it's personal protection first. So I thought that was a stupid comment.

Anyway, looking at my carry license, it says "PENNSYLVANIA LICENSE TO CARRY FIREARMS", so I feel like we are allowed to carry two or more. Besides the one in the backpack would be unloaded unlike the one on my hip. I did do some quick google searching, but all the results were old.

When I take my road trips (within PA), I would like to carry another gun in my pack.

So. as of 2019, is it still legal to carry more than one? or is this guy right?

I bet the guy was old. Back in the day, the license had a spot for the serial number and the reason if filled out with something stupid like carrying large sums of money, would be used against you. Now its any gun and self protection but things were gotten away with before shall issue was legislated and it was may issue.

[gghbi]

I bet the guy was old. Back in the day, the license had a spot for the serial number and the reason if filled out with something stupid like carrying large sums of money, would be used against you. Now its any gun and self protection but things were gotten away with before shall issue was legislated and it was may issue.

Back in those days, when permits were cheap paper and only good for a year, you had to list a gun on the permit, and the reason should always be protection. That did not mean you could not carry any other gun, unlike NY for instance where every gun is listed on the permit.

The true challenge was to keep the permit from deteriorating until it expired,

[Ronin]

The guy is an idiot and is 100% wrong.


I've carried 3 holstered pistols to the range on my body once.



Welcome to the site, I see that's your first post.

Three guns? That's nothin'...

[abner13]

As a dealer , he should have a copy of the PA Uniform Firearms Act handy.

Tell him, "Show me the law!"

[stainless]

OP, I don't know where Confidential PA is (yeah, joke) but as stated you need a different LGS for your business.

Welcome to POOFA.

[Walleye Hunter]

X10000000



Need a pic of that awesomeness...

I don't think that skinny fuck could walk with 3 guns on his hips.

[Walleye Hunter]

2 is 1 and 1 is none.

[QuackXP]

First off I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. If you want that go talk to a lawyer.

Ok lets look at the relevant code.

First a definition of exactly what a "firearm" is in PA.
18 Pa.C.S § 6102

"Firearm." Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches. The barrel length of a firearm shall be determined by measuring from the muzzle of the barrel to the face of the closed action, bolt or cylinder, whichever is applicable.

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...tn=2&subsctn=0

Basically a "firearm" in PA is a pistol, revolver, or short barrel rifle or short barrel shogun. These short barreled rifles and shotguns are NFA items that require more paperwork and a $200 tax stamp to own, but that is outside the scope of this post.

Now as to when you can carry a loaded firearm.

18 Pa.C.S § 6106

§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.

(a) Offense defined.--

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.

(2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.

(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.

(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.

(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.

(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.

(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.

(8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.

(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.

(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.

(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.

(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.

(14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).

(15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:

(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.

(ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.

(16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).

(c) Sportsman's firearm permit.--

(1) Before any exception shall be granted under paragraph (b)(9) or (10) of this section to any person 18 years of age or older licensed to hunt, trap or fish or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, such person shall, at the time of securing his hunting, furtaking or fishing license or any time after such license has been issued, secure a sportsman's firearm permit from the county treasurer. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any legal firearm, when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license or permit relating to hunting dogs. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be in triplicate on a form to be furnished by the Pennsylvania State Police. The original permit shall be delivered to the person, and the first copy thereof, within seven days, shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police by the county treasurer. The second copy shall be retained by the county treasurer for a period of two years from the date of expiration. The county treasurer shall be entitled to collect a fee of not more than $6 for each such permit issued, which shall include the cost of any official form. The Pennsylvania State Police may recover from the county treasurer the cost of any such form, but may not charge more than $1 for each official permit form furnished to the county treasurer.

(2) Any person who sells or attempts to sell a sportsman's firearm permit for a fee in excess of that amount fixed under this subsection commits a summary offense.

(d) Revocation of registration.--Any registration of a firearm under subsection (c) of this section may be revoked by the county treasurer who issued it, upon written notice to the holder thereof.

(e) Definitions.--

(1) For purposes of subsection (b)(3), (4), (5), (7) and (8), the term "firearm" shall include any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of the weapon.

(2) As used in this section, the phrase "place of instruction" shall include any hunting club, rifle club, rifle range, pistol range, shooting range, the premises of a licensed firearms dealer or a lawful gun show or meet.

(Oct. 12, 1973, P.L.283, No.81, eff. June 6, 1973; July 8, 1986, P.L.442, No.93, eff. July 1, 1987; Dec. 19, 1988, P.L.1275, No.158, eff. 180 days; Nov. 22, 1995, P.L.621, No.66, eff. imd.; Apr. 22, 1997, P.L.73, No.5, eff. 60 days; Dec. 20, 2000, P.L.728, No.101, eff. 60 days; Nov. 10, 2005, P.L.335, No.66, eff. 180 days; Oct. 17, 2008, P.L.1628, No.131, eff. 60 days)



2008 Amendment. Act 131 added subsec. (b)(16).

2005 Amendment. Act 66 amended subsec. (b) and added subsec. (e).

1997 Amendment. Act 5 amended subsecs. (a) and (b).

1988 Amendment. Act 158 amended subsecs. (b)(4) and (c).

Cross References. Section 6106 is referred to in sections 913, 6105.2, 6106.1, 6107, 6108, 6109, 6118, 6122 of this title; section 6108 of Title 23 (Domestic Relations).

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...tn=6&subsctn=0

I see no restriction on carrying multiple firearms so long as you have your LTCF.

Now to the rifle.
18 Pa.C.S § 6106.1

§ 6106.1. Carrying loaded weapons other than firearms.

(a) General rule.--Except as provided in Title 34 (relating to game), no person shall carry a loaded pistol, revolver, shotgun or rifle, other than a firearm as defined in section 6102 (relating to definitions), in any vehicle. The provisions of this section shall not apply to persons excepted from the requirement of a license to carry firearms under section 6106(b)(1), (2), (5) or (6) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license) nor shall the provisions of this section be construed to permit persons to carry firearms in a vehicle where such conduct is prohibited by section 6106.

(b) Penalty.--A person who violates the provisions of this section commits a summary offense.

(Dec. 7, 1989, P.L.607, No.68, eff. 60 days; June 13, 1995, 1st Sp.Sess., P.L.1024, No.17, eff. 120 days)

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...tn=6&subsctn=1

So despite having a LTCF you cannot have a loaded rifle or shotgun in a vehicle.