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  1. #171
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    Understood. I'm trying to think what measures might need to be taken to solidly disprove an officer's (false) justification for the stop with the longshot being: no justification for the stop, everything else is fruit of the poisonous tree.

    Of course, when NJ and guns are involved, I could see a judge actually ruling that even if the stop was clearly based on a lie, the case must go forward, because GUNS!

    Yet , we rattle and rail when these same ''legal loopholes'' are used as a defense by someone who is found to be carrying a load of drugs or a dead body.


    And what if a few million NJ residents petitioned PA Gov. Wolf to enact stricter laws here? Should he oblige?
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Going from one state to another should not be so fraught with problems, in America. It's almost like accidentally wandering into North Korea! I can understand if a NJ resident is found with guns, it's his state, his rules. But when we visit from another state, everyone should be accorded some "home rule" thing. Like, if it's legal in PA, and you are from PA, and you cross into NJ, you should be accorded the leniency of PA gun rules. Especially if you live within, IDK, say 40 miles of the "border".

    If NJ wants to be dicks over this, then why do we allow them to visit PA and use our "public" ranges? If you ain't from PA, you shouldn't be using PA public ranges. Tit-for-tat. How do NJ residents get NJ banned guns into PA to use our ranges anyhow? Oh yeah, "Summer homes".

  3. #173
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Quote Originally Posted by abner13 View Post
    Yet , we rattle and rail when these same ''legal loopholes'' are used as a defense by someone who is found to be carrying a load of drugs or a dead body.


    And what if a few million NJ residents petitioned PA Gov. Wolf to enact stricter laws here? Should he oblige?
    Yes, he should, because we live in a democracy!
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  4. #174
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Yes, he should, because we live in a democracy!
    Unfortunately, some people actually believe this.
    I know you're being sarcastic.
    Go sell crazy some where else, we're all stocked up here.


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  5. #175
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Quote Originally Posted by abner13 View Post
    Yet , we rattle and rail when these same ''legal loopholes'' are used as a defense by someone who is found to be carrying a load of drugs or a dead body.
    Some might, but I won't. The government has the overwhelming advantage in every case they bring. I'm completely ok with defendants - even legitimately guilty ones - using any "loophole" the can.

    *For the record, I don't consider a guilty person going free because of an illegal arrest or search being a "loophole". Due process is supposed to afford protections for all, even at the expense of the guilty sometimes going free, as the alternative (innocents being punished) is far worse.
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    Some might, but I won't. The government has the overwhelming advantage in every case they bring. I'm completely ok with defendants - even legitimately guilty ones - using any "loophole" the can.

    *For the record, I don't consider a guilty person going free because of an illegal arrest or search being a "loophole". Due process is supposed to afford protections for all, even at the expense of the guilty sometimes going free, as the alternative (innocents being punished) is far worse.
    the cost of freedom is that we are not completely safe and our system doesn't catch all criminals.
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    the cost of freedom is that we are not completely safe and our system doesn't catch all criminals.
    Absolutely agree.
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Signed.
    Perhaps one of the big wig NJ 2A lawyers will pick this up and help

  9. #179
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoder View Post
    Traffic laws are so complex It's nearly impossible to obey every law. Cops just have to wait and you will eventually commit the smallest infraction and give then cause to pull you over. License plate light, sticker on rear window, air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror. Anything.
    Actually for the regular driver they are not that complex. For a CDL,’maybe. Using a turn signal is as simple as it gets. On another thread here, Poofers are posting videos of the many examples of simply poor driving.

    Many years ago while watching the races in South Philadelphia a Highway Cop gave me a ticket for my license bulb being out. The bulb was out. $35 for a 37 cent bulb. It was a cat and mouse game dealing with the racers.
    Last edited by Carson; September 14th, 2019 at 08:25 PM.

  10. #180
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    Default Re: One of our own arrested - please sign the petition!

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHEMI View Post
    What's his plan? 100k suggests he's going to try to go far. What's the game plan?
    He should offer to donate the entire fund and however much money he can muster to the anti-gun cause of the DA’s choosing in exchange for dropping all charges.

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