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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Transfer of Possession of Fireamrs

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    Federal law requires the use of an FFL for interstate transfers (among other things); if you live in the same state as your father, that's not an issue.
    Thanks for your reply. Not only do we live in the same state, we live in the same city, Philadelphia.

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    Default Re: Transfer of Possession of Fireamrs

    You could always use the the Gun Show Loophole.
    Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

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    Default Re: Transfer of Possession of Fireamrs

    For the OP. If you want to "transfer" the handguns to yourself you can, most any FFL (gun dealer) can do this easy enough.

    Call a local dealer and ask if they will do this. Explain the situation.

    If they will, go to the dealer with the guns.
    The dealer will take the guns and log them into his books as coming from you. (see my last sentence for alternate method)
    You will then fill out the BATFE Form 4473 (one) and the PA State Police form SP4-113 (two, one for each handgun).
    The dealer will run the background check on you.
    If the BGC comes back approved, you will pay him his fee and he will give you your copy of the SP4-113 and the guns to take home.
    He will then log the guns out with you as the recipient - looks odd in the books but is nothing out of the ordinary and nothing that the BATFE hasn't seen before.

    In 16-18 months the information from the SP4-113 will get entered into the PSP Record of Sales database and if any LEO searches it (they are not supposed to but some do) they will find it with your name. In the mean time, you have your copy of the SP4-113 to prove they were transferred to you.

    In all actuality, on the SP4-113's you could put your mom or dads information in the transferors section of the SP4-113 and where they would sign you can put "not available for signature". I have seen (and done) it this way (as directed by the PSP Firearms Unit) and the form never got kicked back by the PSP when the info was entered into the database. In that case the dealer would log them in with their information and out with your information.
    Last edited by Xringshooter; August 25th, 2019 at 06:34 PM.
    Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member

  4. #24
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    Default Re: Transfer of Possession of Fireamrs

    Quote Originally Posted by Xringshooter View Post
    For the OP. If you want to "transfer" the handguns to yourself you can, most any FFL (gun dealer) can do this easy enough.

    Call a local dealer and ask if they will do this. Explain the situation.

    If they will, go to the dealer with the guns.
    The dealer will take the guns and log them into his books as coming from you. (see my last sentence for alternate method)
    You will then fill out the BATFE Form 4473 (one) and the PA State Police form SP4-113 (two, one for each handgun).
    The dealer will run the background check on you.
    If the BGC comes back approved, you will pay him his fee and he will give you your copy of the SP4-113 and the guns to take home.
    He will then log the guns out with you as the recipient - looks odd in the books but is nothing out of the ordinary and nothing that the BATFE hasn't seen before.

    In 16-18 months the information from the SP4-113 will get entered into the PSP Record of Sales database and if any LEO searches it (they are not supposed to but some do) they will find it with your name. In the mean time, you have your copy of the SP4-113 to prove they were transferred to you.

    In all actuality, on the SP4-113's you could put your mom or dads information in the transferors section of the SP4-113 and where they would sign you can put "not available for signature". I have seen (and done) it this way (as directed by the PSP Firearms Unit) and the form never got kicked back by the PSP when the info was entered into the database. In that case the dealer would log them in with their information and out with your information.
    I only want to go through all that if is it required by law. It seems it is not, therefore, I would rather not. But I really appreciate your response.

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    Default Re: Transfer of Possession of Fireamrs

    To the OP, sorry to hear about your father.

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