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    Default Re: Brace for an ar pistol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edg View Post
    I wouldnt spend alot, Ive already heard talking about them going the way of the bump stock since their primary purpose is to skirt the SBR laws. One was used in the Ohio Shooting. Personally I never had a problem shouldering a foam padded pistol buffer tube.

    Gee I heard the entire democratic presidential candidates want to ban all guns along with the majority of the other democratic politicians and their entire base.

    Wondering what your advice on that would be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bripro View Post
    Obscure rule-No vertical foregrip but angled foregrip is ok.
    You can if the overall length is greater than 26 inches.
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    Default Re: Brace for an ar pistol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gixxer View Post
    You can if the overall length is greater than 26 inches.
    There you go muddying the water. Where's that info on overall length again?

    The OP mentioned measuring and mentioned the brace set in a certain position, but there's more to it than that...

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    Default Re: Brace for an ar pistol.

    Quote Originally Posted by bripro View Post
    Obscure rule-No vertical foregrip but angled foregrip is ok.
    If you're over 26" from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the barrel threads, vfg is gtg. It becomes a "firearm" a la mossberg Shockwave and isn't a pistol, but not a rifle either. It's like a 3rd gender for guns.

    That also means you can't conceal it (in your vehicle, slung under a jacket, etc) or carry it loaded in your car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    There you go muddying the water. Where's that info on overall length again?

    The OP mentioned measuring and mentioned the brace set in a certain position, but there's more to it than that...
    You're right. And my post was an over simplification due to my laziness. I feel like a broken record on this subject though haha! But this subject is one of my favorites. I'd be glad to clarify any questions in this regard though to the best of my "not a legal expert" experience if need be.
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    Default Re: Brace for an ar pistol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Handyandy View Post
    If you're over 26" from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the barrel threads, vfg is gtg. It becomes a "firearm" a la mossberg Shockwave and isn't a pistol, but not a rifle either. It's like a 3rd gender for guns.

    That also means you can't conceal it (in your vehicle, slung under a jacket, etc) or carry it loaded in your car.

    NOT A LAWYER.
    You can have it loaded in a vehicle in PA, im pretty sure the PSP clarified this, I'd have to find a reference to back this up however. The AOW wording only says it becomes an AOW if "concealed ON ones person". A hand carried range bag should be fine, a backpack on your back probably not. I'm also not aware of a technical definition for "concealed on ones person".
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    Default Re: Brace for an ar pistol.

    There really are a lot of legal nuances regarding "pistols" as we know them today and not a comprehensive source on the forum. I spent a lot of time searching and reading on this subject and the information is scattered and convoluted at times. Would be a great opportunity for someone to make a sticky post about "pistol and title 1 firearm other do's and don'ts" in relation to what's allowed federally and within Pennsylvania to clear up a lot of the confusion and misinformation.
    And no, I don't want to be that person to make it haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    This is like outlawing wheelchairs because able bodied people race them down the sidewalks.

    I think the disability act would frown on eliminating an aid.
    That'd be a damn good way to fight the ban...

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    Default Re: Brace for an ar pistol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    Gee I heard the entire democratic presidential candidates want to ban all guns along with the majority of the other democratic politicians and their entire base.

    Wondering what your advice on that would be?
    Im sorry, I dont understand your question. Trump banned bump stocks on his own. Ive heard similar discussions from politicians about pistol braces. That was my point. Not sure what yours is.

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    Default Re: Brace for an ar pistol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edg View Post
    Im sorry, I dont understand your question. Trump banned bump stocks on his own. Ive heard similar discussions from politicians about pistol braces. That was my point. Not sure what yours is.
    His point, as far as I can tell, was that you said you wouldn't recommend buying one because there's talk of a ban.

    He sarcastically made the same point about "guns in general".

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