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    Default Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    Hello.
    Well I took my Ruger P95 DC to Tanners Sports center to have them place it on Gunbroker.
    I did this since they have a large following.
    I told them It was purchased new and I never shot it.
    It was in perfect condition.
    Everything was included plus I added two extra 15 round magazines since the ones it came with were 10 round during the Federal Assault Weapons Ban years.
    Now when I check the listing out it states the condition is used.
    What gives here?
    Should I send a message to them or just leave it be.
    I know it is an older pistol since I purchased it in 1998.
    Is this because I am not a dealer that makes it automatically used or since it was purchased from a dealer already that makes it used?
    I would really like to know.
    I sold two pistols myself on Gunbroker and they were stated as new - never used.
    Got what I wanted for them also.
    No dealer low balling.

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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    They have only your word that it wasn't used. I would also suggest that once a gun leaves dealer inventory and enters a person's hands, most people consider it "used." At least in my experience. I wouldn't expect new money for your gun.
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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    Doesn't matter. You are the original retail purchaser. By law it is pre-owned , aka , used.

    It's also in the PSP-ROS in YOUR NAME.

    Unless it come to the dealer new from a distributor or manufacturer , it's used.
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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    Ok used, even though I never shot it.
    I understand it is only my word.
    Well the only firing that pistol got was from the factory.
    It should have been stated it is in like new condition or perfect condition instead of just excellent.
    To me excellent leaves room for minor imperfections.
    Like new or perfect does not.

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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    Incidentally, the Ruger P95 was my very first pistol back in the day.
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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    I always thought that the term for this condition is 'NIB'.
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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    Once a gun leaves a dealer and goes to an individual, it is used. Even if you had it 5 minutes and changed your mind and sold it back.

    EXCELLENT: New condition, used but little, no noticeable marring of wood or metal, bluing perfect, (except at muzzle or sharp edges).

    A dealer is going to leave himself some wiggle room on an online auction. Too many assholes out there that would find that one little nick or scratch and want to send it back. This covers a scuff during shipping or some minor wear that would occur with a magazine or two being fired. Finally, as mentioned, the dealer has no reason to believe you never fired it unless you're a long-time customer that they know they can trust implicitly.

    NIB is New In Box, a new gun never sold.

    ANIB As New In Box would be a gun that has been sold but has no markings, comes with all cards and hang tags etc.
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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    When any firearm was purchased New and the owner wants to sell it it is Used even though un fired !

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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    Quote Originally Posted by lraklrak View Post
    Ok used, even though I never shot it.
    I understand it is only my word.
    Well the only firing that pistol got was from the factory.
    It should have been stated it is in like new condition or perfect condition instead of just excellent.
    To me excellent leaves room for minor imperfections.
    Like new or perfect does not.
    All subjective terms which mean different things to different people. The NRA grading system for modern firearms is:

    NEW: Not previously sold at retail, in same condition as current factory production.

    PERFECT: In New condition in every respect. (Many collectors & dealers use "As New" to describe this condition).

    EXCELLENT: New condition, used but little, no noticeable marring of wood or metal, bluing perfect, (except at muzzle or sharp edges).

    VERY GOOD: In perfect working condition, no appreciable wear on working surfaces, no corrosion or pitting, only minor surface dents or scratches.

    GOOD: In safe working condition, minor wear on working surfaces, no broken parts, no corrosion or pitting that will interfere with proper functioning.

    FAIR: In safe working condition but well worn, perhaps requiring replacement of minor parts or adjustments which should be indicated in advertisement, no rust, but may have corrosion pits which do not render article unsafe or inoperable.

    In the case of your Ruger pistol, "New" doesn't apply because it was previously sold at retail.

    Many dealers refrain from using "Perfect" because that implies flawless, and just about anyone can take any "New" or "Perfect" firearm and find at least one flaw. So dealers don't want the potential liability of calling something "Perfect" when they know it can be proven to have defects, however insignificant.

    Tanners, like any dealer, has their own system which works for them and their regular customers. Was me, I'd let their system work for them.

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    Default Re: Purchased pistol new - never used it - dealer has it on Gunbroker as used?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    I always thought that the term for this condition is 'NIB'.
    Quote Originally Posted by unclejumbo View Post
    NIB is New In Box, a new gun never sold.

    ANIB As New In Box would be a gun that has been sold but has no markings, comes with all cards and hang tags etc.
    Yep. ANIB or LNIB (like new in box).

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