I earned a PA Act 235, but was denied a conceal carry permit.

[HoggyBear Thoughts]

I travel with my PT-809 in its original case (no magazines inserted) and a box of 9mm bullets in my backseat. When i get to the job site, that's when i load my weapon.

[SevenMilePete]

I travel with my PT-809 in its original case (no magazines inserted) and a box of 9mm bullets in my backseat. When i get to the job site, that's when i load my weapon.

If I were you, I would delete this post immediately. Just sayin.

"Again, handguns are more tricky. Absent a LTCF, you may only have a handgun in your vehicle if:

You’re driving a car which belongs to you, your spouse, or your parent and the gun belongs to a parent or spouse who holds a valid LTCF; or
It’s unloaded and you’re transporting to or from target practice or to or from a Federal Firearms Licensee."

Here's a link to a chart that defines when you can carry a firearm in your vehicle without LTCF:

https://www.pennlago.com/wp-content/...Y-12-31-14.png


It doesn't specify going to work as one of the options. And it doesn't matter, loaded , unloaded, disassembled even. And even if it did, stopping to get a donut on your way to work would be illegal.

Sorry. IANAL. But you need to contact one, immediately after you delete your thread.

[Gun]

I travel with my PT-809 in its original case (no magazines inserted) and a box of 9mm bullets in my backseat. When i get to the job site, that's when i load my weapon.

Read this; https://www.psp.pa.gov/lethalweapons/Pages/default.aspx

[SevenMilePete]

Read this; https://www.psp.pa.gov/lethalweapons/Pages/default.aspx

Good find. I didn't see that one, but the ones I found say pretty much the same thing without mentioning the Act 235 situation.

Couldn't rep ya.

[HoggyBear Thoughts]

So I have contacted the lawyer that worked on my initial arrest case (the arrest that caused my conceal carry denial). Philadelphia is ridiculous. Being arrest should not have the same penalty as being convicted or a having a felony. I was convicted of less than a misdemeanor, a summary offense. no fire arms were used in my crime (property damage). No one was hurt. I didn't even own a gun at the time of the crime I just had the permit. The true absurdity of the Philadelphia's LTCF permit guideline. Is that a police officer can find any reason to arrest you and that arrest can take away your ability to carry a firearm. Whether the arrest is justified or not, whether you are charged or not and whether your are convicted or not. And i know that yes i can still purchase a gun and i can still travel with it (if its stored a certain way in the vehicle). and i can still have it in the house. But only having part of your right is not good thing or something worth settling for. When the governing body takes away part of your right as an American and you do nothing. You are opening the gates for them to take away your entire right and then all of your rights. And whats even more ridiculous is that letting me have an ACT 235 but not a LTCF, is basically telling me that I'm allowed to carry a firearm to protect businesses, clients and customers and property, but I'm not allowed to carry a firearm to protect my own family.

[WoollyPullover]

Good morning hoggybear... and Philly is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Berncly]

So I have contacted the lawyer that worked on my initial arrest case (the arrest that caused my conceal carry denial). Philadelphia is ridiculous. Being arrest should not have the same penalty as being convicted or a having a felony. I was convicted of less than a misdemeanor, a summary offense. no fire arms were used in my crime (property damage). No one was hurt. I didn't even own a gun at the time of the crime I just had the permit. The true absurdity of the Philadelphia's LTCF permit guideline. Is that a police officer can find any reason to arrest you and that arrest can take away your ability to carry a firearm. Whether the arrest is justified or not, whether you are charged or not and whether your are convicted or not. And i know that yes i can still purchase a gun and i can still travel with it (if its stored a certain way in the vehicle). and i can still have it in the house. But only having part of your right is not good thing or something worth settling for. When the governing body takes away part of your right as an American and you do nothing. You are opening the gates for them to take away your entire right and then all of your rights. And whats even more ridiculous is that letting me have an ACT 235 but not a LTCF, is basically telling me that I'm allowed to carry a firearm to protect businesses, clients and customers and property, but I'm not allowed to carry a firearm to protect my own family.

Get in touch with Phil and see what he thinks of your case.
He will let you know your options before money gets involved.

There is a process to appeal the decision and restore your right to a LTCF, but there are deadlines so you should contact Phil immediately.
Phil can tell you his impression of your overall situation and suggest your best course of action.

[Walleye Hunter]

I do believe that he has to wait a year to reapply for the permit if he misses the current deadline.

[Gunsnwater]

So I have contacted the lawyer that worked on my initial arrest case (the arrest that caused my conceal carry denial). Philadelphia is ridiculous. Being arrest should not have the same penalty as being convicted or a having a felony. I was convicted of less than a misdemeanor, a summary offense. no fire arms were used in my crime (property damage). No one was hurt. I didn't even own a gun at the time of the crime I just had the permit. The true absurdity of the Philadelphia's LTCF permit guideline. Is that a police officer can find any reason to arrest you and that arrest can take away your ability to carry a firearm. Whether the arrest is justified or not, whether you are charged or not and whether your are convicted or not. And i know that yes i can still purchase a gun and i can still travel with it (if its stored a certain way in the vehicle). and i can still have it in the house. But only having part of your right is not good thing or something worth settling for. When the governing body takes away part of your right as an American and you do nothing. You are opening the gates for them to take away your entire right and then all of your rights. And whats even more ridiculous is that letting me have an ACT 235 but not a LTCF, is basically telling me that I'm allowed to carry a firearm to protect businesses, clients and customers and property, but I'm not allowed to carry a firearm to protect my own family.

People here have informed you otherwise. Poor reading comprehension? Sure it has demands on storage but also destinations. 2 destinations. Only 2. Work is not 1 of them. This isn’t about what ought to be or what is right or what the constitution says. It is about current Pa. firearms law. You are in violation transporting to work and carrying in a vehicle during work, if you do that also. Ianal don’t take my word. Pay a lawyer who specializes in firearms law.

[internet troll]

So I have contacted the lawyer that worked on my initial arrest case (the arrest that caused my conceal carry denial). Philadelphia is ridiculous. Being arrest should not have the same penalty as being convicted or a having a felony. I was convicted of less than a misdemeanor, a summary offense. no fire arms were used in my crime (property damage). No one was hurt. I didn't even own a gun at the time of the crime I just had the permit. The true absurdity of the Philadelphia's LTCF permit guideline. Is that a police officer can find any reason to arrest you and that arrest can take away your ability to carry a firearm. Whether the arrest is justified or not, whether you are charged or not and whether your are convicted or not. And i know that yes i can still purchase a gun and i can still travel with it (if its stored a certain way in the vehicle). and i can still have it in the house. But only having part of your right is not good thing or something worth settling for. When the governing body takes away part of your right as an American and you do nothing. You are opening the gates for them to take away your entire right and then all of your rights. And whats even more ridiculous is that letting me have an ACT 235 but not a LTCF, is basically telling me that I'm allowed to carry a firearm to protect businesses, clients and customers and property, but I'm not allowed to carry a firearm to protect my own family.

As others have said you can carry it without a ltcf if you meet an exception. If you do not meet one of the exception and you get busted for it some way or another It can cause you a lot more headaches as it would be a felony of the 3rd degree. Here are the exceptions.

https://www.psp.pa.gov/firearms-info...nsylvania.aspx

Are there exceptions to carrying a firearm without a Pennsylvania License to Carry?

A License to Carry Firearms is issued to carry a firearm concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle within this Commonwealth. Any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person except in his place of abode or fixed place of business without a valid and lawfully issued license commits a felony of the third degree.

A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

Listed below are exceptions as outlined in 18 Pa.C.S. § 6106. (2) (b) Exceptions:

Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.

Members of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, or Coast Guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.

The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this Commonwealth.

Any persons engaged in target shooting with rifle, pistol, or revolver, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.

Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.

Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties. (Individuals carrying a firearm as an incidence of their employment are required to be certified through the Lethal Weapons Training Act requirements set forth in 22 P.S. § 44(b).

Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.

Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms, or back to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer’s place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.

Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.

Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.

Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.

Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.

A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).

Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided: (i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109. (ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
(Note that before an exception would be granted under numbers 9 and 10, the person must obtain a valid Sportsman’s Firearm Permit from the county treasurer.)