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[Bang]

Interesting point....that being, background checks are done in connection with the acquiring of a gun, affording the opportunity to register the gun. Probably the real reason for the establishment of background checks.

Background checks are legitimately needed for many things. Why not establish a personal history file that can be looked at it whenever needed, such as obtaining proof of citizenship for voting, obtaining passport, marriage license, applying for a job, applying for a loan or mortgage, applying for LTCF even though not owning a gun at the time. Computers have built these files on us anyway. NRA and similar orgs should push for separating the guns from the mechanics of the permissions.

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Trump had phone call with NRA’s LaPierre in wake of massacres


President Trump had a phone conversation with the National Rifle Association Chief Executive Wayne LaPierre on Tuesday, just days after two mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio.

Trump did not publicly acknowledge the phone call and it was unclear who initiated the conversation.

The two shootings last weekend resulted in 31 deaths and dozens injured. The massacres put gun control back squarely in the public conversation. All top 2020 Democratic presidential candidates have called for tougher gun laws. Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., for example, has vowed executive action if Congress fails to act within her first 100 days if elected.


The Washington Post, citing unnamed sources, reported that LaPierre told Trump that endorsing tougher background checks -- which the president has reportedly done in private since the February 2018 massacre in Parkland, Fla., that left 17 dead, would not be popular with his voter base.

The NRA did not immediately respond to an email from Fox News seeking comment.

Trump told an audience in Dayton on Wednesday that there is an “appetite” for such checks.

Trump told The Wall Street Journal, “I don’t want to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable people or people with rage or hate — sick people.”

Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W. Va., told the Journal that if Trump supports his bill that expands these checks — and red-flag laws — it would be a “game-changer,” because Republicans who otherwise would not support the legislation, would be covered politically by the president.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...e-of-massacres

[GunLawyer001]

Interesting point....that being, background checks are done in connection with the acquiring of a gun, affording the opportunity to register the gun. Probably the real reason for the establishment of background checks.

Background checks are legitimately needed for many things. Why not establish a personal history file that can be looked at it whenever needed, such as obtaining proof of citizenship for voting, obtaining passport, marriage license, applying for a job, applying for a loan or mortgage, applying for LTCF even though not owning a gun at the time. Computers have built these files on us anyway. NRA and similar orgs should push for separating the guns from the mechanics of the permissions.

If they were serious about background checks, and not using them as a Trojan Horse for universal registration, they could establish a Firearm Owners ID Card, or just link to your Drivers License. You want to sell a rifle, you go to some FBI or ATF website, plug in the number on the buyer's card, and get an instant PROCEED or DENIED. If you get the PROCEED, maybe you write down the guy's card number and the date, or the website gives you a unique number that you can save.

What does this do? (a) it allows you to refuse a sale to a prohibited person. (b) it provides you with proof that you checked. (c) it DOES NOT create universal gun registration, only some evidence that the buyer bought "something". Hard to kick in doors looking for contraband KelTecs based on that, isn't it?

The downside? It makes it hard for prohibited persons to buy guns privately. It makes it tough to buy in one state and traffic them to another. When the po po recover a gun at a crime scene, it's harder to trace back to the last lawful owner (but seriously, how often are crimes solved by that? If you kill somebody, you're only going to dump the gun there if it can't be traced to you.)

OK, so 5 years later, the po po catch some felon with this gun, how do they know the transfer was legal? The same way they know most other things, it's presumed to be legal unless they can prove otherwise. if you reported it stolen, if the guy they catch turns on you and identifies that you sold it to him at 200% of retail and you said you didn't care who he was, just that the money is right. Or ATF sends out fake buyers to entice greedy sellers to sell without checking. Lots of ways that don't require creating federal registration of guns, that will eventually be used to ban and confiscate them all.

The UK banned evil semi-auto and pump rifles in 1988, and by 1996 they banned all the rest of them. The "gun safety" people TELL US that they admire UK-style gun control, and I believe them.

Universal gun registration is the line in the sand. Just like it should have been in Germany, when armed Jews dutifully registered their guns.

Preserving our civil rights always comes with a cost. We'd have less crime if cops were allowed to beat confessions out of the guilty, if poor crooks weren't given lawyers to defend them, if we could round up all the non-English speakers and send them south without any due process, if police could swiftly search the homes of all suspects without any probable cause (kind of like the Dems going after Trump). But we've decided to pay the price to maintain our freedom, and we need to insist on that here.

[unclejumbo]

If they were serious about background checks, and not using them as a Trojan Horse for universal registration, they could establish a Firearm Owners ID Card, or just link to your Drivers License. You want to sell a rifle, you go to some FBI or ATF website, plug in the number on the buyer's card, and get an instant PROCEED or DENIED. If you get the PROCEED, maybe you write down the guy's card number and the date, or the website gives you a unique number that you can save.

What does this do? (a) it allows you to refuse a sale to a prohibited person. (b) it provides you with proof that you checked. (c) it DOES NOT create universal gun registration, only some evidence that the buyer bought "something". Hard to kick in doors looking for contraband KelTecs based on that, isn't it?

The downside? It makes it hard for prohibited persons to buy guns privately. It makes it tough to buy in one state and traffic them to another. When the po po recover a gun at a crime scene, it's harder to trace back to the last lawful owner (but seriously, how often are crimes solved by that? If you kill somebody, you're only going to dump the gun there if it can't be traced to you.)

OK, so 5 years later, the po po catch some felon with this gun, how do they know the transfer was legal? The same way they know most other things, it's presumed to be legal unless they can prove otherwise. if you reported it stolen, if the guy they catch turns on you and identifies that you sold it to him at 200% of retail and you said you didn't care who he was, just that the money is right. Or ATF sends out fake buyers to entice greedy sellers to sell without checking. Lots of ways that don't require creating federal registration of guns, that will eventually be used to ban and confiscate them all.

The UK banned evil semi-auto and pump rifles in 1988, and by 1996 they banned all the rest of them. The "gun safety" people TELL US that they admire UK-style gun control, and I believe them.

Universal gun registration is the line in the sand. Just like it should have been in Germany, when armed Jews dutifully registered their guns.

Preserving our civil rights always comes with a cost. We'd have less crime if cops were allowed to beat confessions out of the guilty, if poor crooks weren't given lawyers to defend them, if we could round up all the non-English speakers and send them south without any due process, if police could swiftly search the homes of all suspects without any probable cause (kind of like the Dems going after Trump). But we've decided to pay the price to maintain our freedom, and we need to insist on that here.

I'm with you on this. I think an LTCF should be defacto proof that someone is lawfully allowed a firearm and private sales should be allowed. In states that allow constitutional carry, a voluntary gun-buyers card may be obtained for the same purpose.

I thought about the civilian PICS checks and I suspect they'd get abused. People using them for a quick background on a babysitter or home care worker. Running anyone whose DL you get just for shits and grins.

[GunLawyer001]

I'm with you on this. I think an LTCF should be defacto proof that someone is lawfully allowed a firearm and private sales should be allowed. In states that allow constitutional carry, a voluntary gun-buyers card may be obtained for the same purpose.

I thought about the civilian PICS checks and I suspect they'd get abused. People using them for a quick background on a babysitter or home care worker. Running anyone whose DL you get just for shits and grins.

That's possible, but there's not much you can glean from "APPROVED" or "DENIED", given the number of factors that could get you denied, like an unpaid speeding ticket from another state, or various old criminal offenses having little to do with moral character. And you'd need their card number to do the check, which would limit what stalkers and the idly curious could do.

[TB3]

Speaking of GOA...hit the President with their latest letter:

https://oneclickpolitics.global.ssl....?promo_id=6820

Already did and got a few others too as well.

[JAKIII]

Preserving our civil rights always comes with a cost. We'd have less crime if cops were allowed to beat confessions out of the guilty, if poor crooks weren't given lawyers to defend them, if we could round up all the non-English speakers and send them south without any due process, if police could swiftly search the homes of all suspects without any probable cause (kind of like the Dems going after Trump).

Hmm... like China.

[GeneCC]

Preserving our civil rights always comes with a cost. We'd have less crime if cops were allowed to beat confessions out of the guilty, if poor crooks weren't given lawyers to defend them, if we could round up all the non-English speakers and send them south without any due process, if police could swiftly search the homes of all suspects without any probable cause (kind of like the Dems going after Trump). But we've decided to pay the price to maintain our freedom, and we need to insist on that here.

I'm not sure that allowing Police to beat confessions out of people reduces crime. Andrei Chikatilo murdered over fifty men and women in the area around Rostov on the Don. He carried on his rein of terror for years. Soviet thieves happily mugged and robbed people with little worry. The Soviets had "waves" of rapes and robberies - the authorities didn't wake up one morning and start arresting people. There were complaints first.


Unfortunately some have been deluded by our Corporate owned media into surrendering our freedoms. New York City in some ways is a police state.

[JAKIII]

New York City in some ways is a police state.

...did you miss the recent video of random thugs dumping buckets of water on Officers who just walked away?

[GeneCC]

...did you miss the recent video of random thugs dumping buckets of water on Officers who just walked away?

I caught it. I figure that the NYPD management made them roll over.

Richard Kuklinski talked about murdering people with poison dissolved in a liquid. He would splash it on them, leave the bar. They'd keel over dead.

Any time someone is splashed with liquid it should be treated as an attack with toxin.

In contrast the NYPD has a radar doohickey that sees through clothes to find evil concealed weapons. They have "gun shot detectors" around the city. They have "targeted policing", where they linger in areas looking for code violations and catching violent criminals. Probably manage to choke a few cigarette sellers too. Most cities don't have this batshit nonsense.