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    Default Re: Capacity ban coming?

    I can't believe how derailed this thread got!

    Shame! Shame on use!
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_Post_Facto

    Ex Post Facto Law:
    An ex post facto law (from the Latin for "from after the action") or retroactive law, is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions committed or relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law. In reference to criminal law, it may criminalize actions that were legal when committed; or it may aggravate a crime by bringing it into a more severe category than it was in at the time it was committed; or it may change or increase the punishment prescribed for a crime, such as by adding new penalties or extending terms; or it may alter the rules of evidence in order to make conviction for a crime more likely than it would have been at the time of the action for which a defendant is prosecuted. Conversely, a form of ex post facto law commonly known as an amnesty law may decriminalize certain acts or alleviate possible punishments (for example by replacing the death sentence with life-long imprisonment) retroactively.
    A law may have an ex post facto effect without being technically ex post facto. For example, when a law repeals a previous law, the repealed legislation no longer applies to the situations it once did, even if such situations arose before the law was repealed. The principle of prohibiting the continued application of these kinds of laws is also known as Nullum crimen, nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali, particularly in European continental systems.
    Generally speaking, ex post facto penal laws are seen as a violation of the rule of law as it applies in a free and democratic society. Most common law jurisdictions do not permit retroactive criminal legislation, though new precedent generally applies to events that occurred prior to the judicial decision. Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution. In some nations that follow the Westminster system of government, such as the United Kingdom, ex post facto laws are technically possible as the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy allows Parliament to pass any law it wishes. However, in a nation with an entrenched bill of rights or a written constitution, ex post facto legislation may be prohibited.

    I don't understand why this would not be a good defense against new laws that make what you legally currently own illegal ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlnzz1 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_Post_Facto

    Ex Post Facto Law:
    An ex post facto law (from the Latin for "from after the action") or retroactive law, is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions committed or relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law. In reference to criminal law, it may criminalize actions that were legal when committed; or it may aggravate a crime by bringing it into a more severe category than it was in at the time it was committed; or it may change or increase the punishment prescribed for a crime, such as by adding new penalties or extending terms; or it may alter the rules of evidence in order to make conviction for a crime more likely than it would have been at the time of the action for which a defendant is prosecuted. Conversely, a form of ex post facto law commonly known as an amnesty law may decriminalize certain acts or alleviate possible punishments (for example by replacing the death sentence with life-long imprisonment) retroactively.
    A law may have an ex post facto effect without being technically ex post facto. For example, when a law repeals a previous law, the repealed legislation no longer applies to the situations it once did, even if such situations arose before the law was repealed. The principle of prohibiting the continued application of these kinds of laws is also known as Nullum crimen, nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali, particularly in European continental systems.
    Generally speaking, ex post facto penal laws are seen as a violation of the rule of law as it applies in a free and democratic society. Most common law jurisdictions do not permit retroactive criminal legislation, though new precedent generally applies to events that occurred prior to the judicial decision. Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution. In some nations that follow the Westminster system of government, such as the United Kingdom, ex post facto laws are technically possible as the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy allows Parliament to pass any law it wishes. However, in a nation with an entrenched bill of rights or a written constitution, ex post facto legislation may be prohibited.

    I don't understand why this would not be a good defense against new laws that make what you legally currently own illegal ?
    Because our "lawmakers" don't give a flying fuck about the Constitution, nor do the courts.
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    Because our "lawmakers" don't give a flying fuck about the Constitution, nor do the courts.
    Winner winner chicken dinner.

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    Default Re: Capacity ban coming?

    another one added to the list of people described in my signature line
    every day i add more names to the list of people whose mothers should have swallowed them

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB3 View Post
    Iím not losing any sleep over someone ribbing me, I just never understood the mentality of people that would feel in necessary to take the time to mark a remark over a clear case of a spelling oversight or auto correct incident. If you donít have anything to add to the actual discussion why bother? And itís not even like the reply was funny.. I would personally never feel the need to make a stupid remark over such a simple thing. Oh well, Iíve spent more time on it than itís worth at this point, just silly.
    He has a point here

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    When this band comes..it just proves the fact ..we are another step closer to socialistic nation.

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    I live in NJ, don't ask why, we went thru the high cap BS last year. My issue is the officials dreaming this crap up are protected by multiple armed guards who can carry unlimited capacity mags. Who are they to tell me I should have anything less then they have to protect myself and my family.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlnzz1 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_Post_Facto

    Ex Post Facto Law:
    An ex post facto law (from the Latin for "from after the action") or retroactive law, is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions committed or relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law. In reference to criminal law, it may criminalize actions that were legal when committed; or it may aggravate a crime by bringing it into a more severe category than it was in at the time it was committed; or it may change or increase the punishment prescribed for a crime, such as by adding new penalties or extending terms; or it may alter the rules of evidence in order to make conviction for a crime more likely than it would have been at the time of the action for which a defendant is prosecuted. Conversely, a form of ex post facto law commonly known as an amnesty law may decriminalize certain acts or alleviate possible punishments (for example by replacing the death sentence with life-long imprisonment) retroactively.
    A law may have an ex post facto effect without being technically ex post facto. For example, when a law repeals a previous law, the repealed legislation no longer applies to the situations it once did, even if such situations arose before the law was repealed. The principle of prohibiting the continued application of these kinds of laws is also known as Nullum crimen, nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali, particularly in European continental systems.
    Generally speaking, ex post facto penal laws are seen as a violation of the rule of law as it applies in a free and democratic society. Most common law jurisdictions do not permit retroactive criminal legislation, though new precedent generally applies to events that occurred prior to the judicial decision. Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution. In some nations that follow the Westminster system of government, such as the United Kingdom, ex post facto laws are technically possible as the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy allows Parliament to pass any law it wishes. However, in a nation with an entrenched bill of rights or a written constitution, ex post facto legislation may be prohibited.

    I don't understand why this would not be a good defense against new laws that make what you legally currently own illegal ?
    Ex post facto would be if they passed a law that prohibited BUYING magazines, and then punished you because you BOUGHT the magazines before it was illegal to do so.

    If they pass a law banning OWNERSHIP of magazines, and you still OWN them, you are breaking the law.

    If I haven't explained this well enough, google a little bit so you learn how this entire legal argument does not apply to any suggested magazine ban. There are a number of arguments against the constitutionality of a magazine ban. This is not one of them.

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    They are the nobles, we are just commoners.

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