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July 15th, 2019, 07:12 PM #11Grand Member
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Re: Duty to Inform ....question based on actual expeirence
Fair enough. You are correct I never had an officer ask me that. So lie away. You are also correct I don't know all of the statutes in Pa about not telling law enforcement the truth (didn't even do a search) but a lot of states and federally they can charge you with something. Obstruction of justice is a big catch all (YMMV).
But statutes or not if you know the officer is about to pat you down and arrest you. Stay calm, tell him you are carrying and tell him EXACTLY where it is.
Or are you planning on yelling Constitution Motherfucker then showing him your firearm?Last edited by Delkal; July 15th, 2019 at 07:15 PM.
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July 15th, 2019, 07:23 PM #12
Re: Duty to Inform ....question based on actual expeirence
IANAL , and playing word games with the Popo during a stop isn't my idea of fun. I want to go home with my firearm(s). So , I'll recuse meself and defer to Counselor Kline aka Gunlawyers answer.
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July 15th, 2019, 07:30 PM #13
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July 15th, 2019, 07:38 PM #14
Re: Duty to Inform ....question based on actual expeirence
OK , you stop someone for a traffic violation. You approach and ask if they have any weapons (do you do that?). They either say no , or don't speak at all , give you the sovereign citizen or constitution schpeel , . You sense they're acting hinky , smell alcohol , see an open container or something else , and ask them to get out of the vehicle. They give you a hard time or refuse. You request other officers assist and gently persuade him out of his vehicle and find he is indeed carrying a firearm and does indeed have a LTCF.
What do you do now?Last edited by abner13; July 15th, 2019 at 07:42 PM.
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July 15th, 2019, 07:45 PM #15Grand Member
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Re: Duty to Inform ....question based on actual expeirence
an open container of alcohol in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle is illegal just about everywhere, so you'll be arrested for a motor vehicle violation. having a firearm is irrelevant, unless you can provide statute that states having a firearm while consuming alcohol is a firearms violation.
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July 15th, 2019, 07:48 PM #16Grand Member
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July 23rd, 2019, 01:40 AM #17
Re: Duty to Inform ....question based on actual expeirence
You have a lot going on in this scenario. The fact they have an LTCF and a firearm is not an issue, a few of the other things you mentioned could have them in handcuffs. If they get arrested they are not going to be possessing their gun in the back of the wagon or my car.
But getting back to marinville’s statement about lying to the police and I am not just talking about possessing a legal weapon. You lie to me about the reason I stopped you, you are definitely getting a ticket or possibly arrested. You lie to me about your ID and you most likely will be getting positively identified. You lie about the validity of your Vehicle Registration, you probably will be getting Live Stopped.
I understand the dangers of an officer manipulating your weapon after he disarms you, after you told him you were carrying. My procedure is to have you sit in your vehicle with another officer watching you. Or if on foot, sit the person on a wall or curb. If you get out of the car or off the curb against my wishes, things will change rapidly. If everything goes smoothly you will be on your way probably with a warning if it is a MVC violation. Like the saying goes, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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July 23rd, 2019, 05:15 AM #18Grand Member
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Re: Duty to Inform ....question based on actual expeirence
Unfortunately, there is no way for a citizen to know what kind of officer they are dealing with. Not all will be reasonable, intelligent, knowledgeable, cool and collected, etc. The officer(s) you encounter on a given day may only have stupid prizes to offer.
I do have respect for officers and the job they do, and I also realize this is a sword thst cuts both ways, but I won't allow myself to be made unreasonably vulnerable because of that. The unfortunate truth is that the officer and the citizen are adversaries in your typical encounter.Last edited by marinville; July 23rd, 2019 at 05:21 AM.
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July 23rd, 2019, 06:53 AM #19
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July 24th, 2019, 01:50 AM #20Grand Member
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