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    Default Re: Carrying in the workplace

    My property, my rules...their property their rules. At least in PA it's not a crime if you get caught, as it is in some other states.
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    Carrying at work (assuming there is a spoken or unspoken policy against it) is a question of percentages. What is the realistic chance that you will need a weapon while at work, vs what is the chance that you will be able to get a job just as good as the one you have if you get fired? And you most likely WILL get fired if you are spotted with a firearm at work!

    If you deliver pizzas in bad neighborhoods, or work the night shift counter of the local stop and rob, that's one thing. If you work in a typical big business white collar office, and there are no obviously disgruntled and/or disturbed individuals working there, or there are no current unpleasant layoffs in progress, then most likely your need for a firearm is slim to none.

    I once worked as a middle manager in a typical white collar office and generally left my firearm locked in my car in the parking lot. I would not have wanted to lose that job if at all possible as it paid well, I was well liked, and getting a similar job after 50 would have been difficult. However, there was a time when a very hostile and weird man there made actual threats of gun related violence to other employees and management and for some inexplicable reason, he was allowed to remain employed for several days before security finally escorted him out. You better believe I was packing for those several days! And I made darned sure nobody saw it or knew I had it! Aside from something like that though, you are probably better leaving it in the car and never mentioning it.

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    Default Re: Carrying in the workplace

    Quote Originally Posted by RockIsland View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    My property, my rules...their property their rules. At least in PA it's not a crime if you get caught, as it is in some other states.
    I understand and agree with the sentiment, but most companies (while refusing to accept liability for you vehicle and contents) have you agree to vehicle searches as a condition of employment. A locked vehicle will prevent them from doing that without your knowledge (though I've never heard of a covert search).

    On paper, I've agreed to the searches as a condition of employment. In reality, the day they want to search my vehicle, I'll be terminated for refusing.

    While HR departments won't tell future employers much these days because of privacy concerns, hypothetically, I'd think "We fired him for not allowing us to search his car" might be less damaging than "We fired him because we discovered he had a gun in his vehicle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    Washington County doesn't issue same day?
    Nope. Lady in the Sheriff's office said 3 weeks.

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    Default Re: Carrying in the workplace

    There are few places in PA that ban firearms by statute (Post Offices, Fed Gov facilities, etc.) for a licensed carrier.

    Most anyplace else, carrying a firearm where the owner or their agent indicates "no firearms" is a trespass offense. An employer can have a "no-gun" policy in place for employees and have it be a fire-able offense, but neither case automatically means that the carrier is necessarily violating firearm law(s). All that said:

    If you spend much time here you will see the phrase "concealed is concealed", which leads to "better judged by 12 than carried by 6". In other words, you do you, boo. Nobody here is going to recommend you carry anyway. At most, you will be told it's up to you to decide what level of disarmament you are willing to endure for your livelihood. That level will vary by individual.

    From the sound of it, you have a long way to go learning to carry before making that kind of decision, as buying a 1st gun and immediately strapping it on for the workday is not generally suggested.

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    Default Re: Carrying in the workplace

    Everyone else has nailed it. You need to know what your employer's stance on firearms is, first and foremost, before even considering having a concealed firearm at work. If it's a major corporation, chances are, there is a pretty sound policy against it, even if it's never been expressly told to you (usually in an employee handbook, code of conduct, or even just a webpage or PDF on the company's intranet). If nothing else, it would be in the initial paperwork given to you by your manager or HR upon being hired, when you signed an employment contract.

    I work for a small company (less than 20 people) that, as far as I know, has no official policy. Knowing the owner/boss personally, and knowing his political beliefs very well, I could probably carry everyday in the office without trouble. I simply choose not to for various reasons. It's also a discussion I choose not to bring up, as I don't want there to become policy.


    You're bigger issue is, not only do you not yet have a firearm, but you are not used to carrying one either. Most of us have carried for a long, long time, and don't think twice about it. As a new carrier, you will not only be figuring out the best possible way for you to carry, but will also be acutely aware of your firearm, and feel like everyone else is as well. It's very common for new carriers to be constantly adjusting their holster, tugging at their shirt to make sure it's hidden, or any other nervous habits that will draw more attention to you than you realize.


    So get training, and then get completely comfortable carrying out in public in general, before even considering if it's worth the risk of carrying at work.

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    Default Re: Carrying in the workplace

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    Washington County doesn't issue same day?
    I was in and out in about an hour with mine.

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    A guy at work got fired for having a hunting rifle in a closet at work. He brought it in to sell, got dimed out and made up a story about hunting deer out back.
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    1956 I was working in a machine shop at Leeds and Northrup. Little-by-little, during lunch and breaks and hanging on for a bit after work, one of the men was making a revolver. He wasn't being sneaky about it. It was just something one of the guys was doing. That's the America I grew up in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    1956 I was working in a machine shop at Leeds and Northrup. Little-by-little, during lunch and breaks and hanging on for a bit after work, one of the men was making a revolver. He wasn't being sneaky about it. It was just something one of the guys was doing. That's the America I grew up in.
    I wouldn't be surprised if there was beer in the refrigerator there too.
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