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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    Quote Originally Posted by Overscore View Post
    Interesting. This is purely a hypothetical, because I'm not in the business of lending guns out to people anyway (other than my brother, perhaps), but it sounds as though one could circumvent this by just selling the gun for $1 to the person, then buying it back later for $1.
    Quote Originally Posted by Overscore View Post
    Someone did ask me to borrow a gun, and I wanted to answer more than just "NO!"
    I'm confused.
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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    Quote Originally Posted by Overscore View Post
    Interesting. This is purely a hypothetical, because I'm not in the business of lending guns out to people anyway (other than my brother, perhaps), but it sounds as though one could circumvent this by just selling the gun for $1 to the person, then buying it back later for $1.
    You do not need to "sell" a gun to legally transfer it. You can gift a gun to anyone. However, if not gifted to one of the exceptions in PA, the transfer must be made at an FFL with a required background check. In short, the $1 dollar exchanges are not necessary in your hypothetical, but the FFL transfer charges are a reality.

    As a response to the question of lending, you can lend to an exception or to someone who has his/her LTCF...but just because you legally can does not mean you should.

    I will admit I have lent guns to two people in my life (both of whom have their LTCF). I frequently lend firearms to my brother, and he has lent firearms to me. We trust each other with our lives. The other person I lent a gun to was my boss. I had a pistol I was selling. He was interested in buying it. I lent it to him to take to the range to try. BTW, I would also trust my boss with my life. In fact, I joke with my wife that if I ever had to use my firearm in self defense, she'd be my second phone call...my first would be to my boss. He's a lawyer.

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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    What happens if you sell it for $1 with the intent to buy it back for $1 and there's a falling out of some kind? You'll likely be on the short end of the stick (hypothetically speaking) if you try to buy it back.

    Think about it...
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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    Quote Originally Posted by Overscore View Post
    Someone did ask me to borrow a gun, and I wanted to answer more than just "NO!"
    That would be "f*k no! Don’t ever ask again."
    The Gun is the Badge of a Free Man

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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    Quote Originally Posted by PAcarrier View Post
    What happens if you sell it for $1 with the intent to buy it back for $1 and there's a falling out of some kind? You'll likely be on the short end of the stick (hypothetically speaking) if you try to buy it back.

    Think about it...
    That whole arrangement sounds like a conspiracy to commit fraud and pawning a gun in Pa. is against the law.
    The Gun is the Badge of a Free Man

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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    I'm confused.

    Just guessing that it’s hypothetical because he would never do it and he was put in an uncomfortable situation by a supposed friend who doesn’t give two shits about him and would like a legal reason to say no.

    Overscore walk away from that "friendship", it’s one sided.
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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    That whole arrangement sounds like a conspiracy to commit fraud and pawning a gun in Pa. is against the law.
    If he legally sells it (along with the required pics check both ways), it couldnt possibly be considered illegal.

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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    Quote Originally Posted by Overscore View Post
    Interesting. This is purely a hypothetical, because I'm not in the business of lending guns out to people anyway (other than my brother, perhaps), but it sounds as though one could circumvent this by just selling the gun for $1 to the person, then buying it back later for $1.
    Sure this would work fine. Who pays the transfer. One for the transfer to him.one for the transfer back to you.
    Don't be an ass.

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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    I would say "I don't sell or anything, including shotguns and rifles to anyone if they, a friend or even a family member didn't already own shotguns, rifles, handguns of their own."
    Sorry, that's my rule and it's the way it is.

    Just think about it for a while, how would you feel if something happened?
    Not to mention laws for loaning handguns.

    If he wants his first handgun, he can drive to the gun store and buy one, this way if something happens you can sleep at night.
    If he wants to try one he can rent one at the gun range.
    Last edited by :-); June 11th, 2019 at 09:56 AM.

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    Default Re: Lending a gun to a friend

    Quote Originally Posted by Royinmontco View Post
    If he legally sells it (along with the required pics check both ways), it couldnt possibly be considered illegal.
    Do you remember the state cop and his dad?

    The intent of the arrangement is to circumvent the law. Are you the actual buyer? The intention is a loan not a sale. The dollar proves the conspiracy. Are you going to write a contract? Lies on the federal form are prosecuted.
    The Gun is the Badge of a Free Man

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