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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Good point.
    This post should have been the first response and the thread could have been closed.

    I admit that I rack it two or three times, but yeah - if you LOOK after you pull/lock the slide back, what's the point of all the extra manipulations?
    The question in the OP was what is the LEO training standard (since it can't possibly be 10 repetitive racks).
    The question wasn't what does [your name here] do when clearing a loaded weapon.

    The triple rack and clear was how they trained LEO's 20+ years ago.
    I don't know if the standards have changed, as training standards do change over time.

    They trained us that way for ritualized redundancy.
    When you do something 3 times it forces your attention better than doing it just once.
    Doing something just one time can easily become none times when brain farting.

    As an example, my decrepit body requires medication on a schedule.
    I have found that if I just pop a pill without focusing I sometimes can't remember if I took the pill, especially if Kpop is involved.
    But if I hold the pill for a few seconds and flip it over 3 times while reading the markings, it forces my focus and I remember with certainty that I took the pill.

    And no, I don't have OCD.
    I actually learned that trick from my Grandmother many years ago, and it does work.
    I think it's more or less the same idea with the triple rack and clear.
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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    3 times... because it's harder to miss 3 fresh shells being flung out of the gun.
    this is especially true with pump shotguns as, being a lefty, it results in the shells getting tossed at my face
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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Berncly View Post
    The question in the OP was what is the LEO training standard (since it can't possibly be 10 repetitive racks).
    The question wasn't what does [your name here] do when clearing a loaded weapon.

    The triple rack and clear was how they trained LEO's 20+ years ago.
    I don't know if the standards have changed, as training standards do change over time.

    They trained us that way for ritualized redundancy.
    When you do something 3 times it forces your attention better than doing it just once.
    Doing something just one time can easily become none times when brain farting.

    As an example, my decrepit body requires medication on a schedule.
    I have found that if I just pop a pill without focusing I sometimes can't remember if I took the pill, especially if Kpop is involved.
    But if I hold the pill for a few seconds and flip it over 3 times while reading the markings, it forces my focus and I remember with certainty that I took the pill.

    And no, I don't have OCD.
    I actually learned that trick from my Grandmother many years ago, and it does work.
    I think it's more or less the same idea with the triple rack and clear.
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    Check it once, check it twice, check it one more time locking the slide back on an empty chamber.

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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    Quote Originally Posted by unclejumbo View Post
    Check it once, check it twice, check it one more time locking the slide back on an empty chamber.

    Remember it well.
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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Berncly View Post
    The question in the OP was what is the LEO training standard (since it can't possibly be 10 repetitive racks).
    The question wasn't what does [your name here] do when clearing a loaded weapon.

    The triple rack and clear was how they trained LEO's 20+ years ago.
    I don't know if the standards have changed, as training standards do change over time.

    They trained us that way for ritualized redundancy.
    When you do something 3 times it forces your attention better than doing it just once.
    Doing something just one time can easily become none times when brain farting.

    As an example, my decrepit body requires medication on a schedule.
    I have found that if I just pop a pill without focusing I sometimes can't remember if I took the pill, especially if Kpop is involved.
    But if I hold the pill for a few seconds and flip it over 3 times while reading the markings, it forces my focus and I remember with certainty that I took the pill.

    And no, I don't have OCD.
    I actually learned that trick from my Grandmother many years ago, and it does work.
    I think it's more or less the same idea with the triple rack and clear.
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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    Quote Originally Posted by RockIsland View Post
    Have you ever been sitting on the throne for a while, and can't remember if you pooped or not?
    I think there is an Urban Dictionary reference to the 'phantom dump' beyond the more common definition.
    How can you have any cookies if you don't drink your milk?

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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    I lock the slide back, look down through the mag well, then look into the chamber. If it didn't come out the first time, it probably won't come out the second time, and it's highly unlikely to come out the third. Here's what would need to happen for someone to get hurt:

    (1) The round wasn't pulled out by the extractor.
    (2) I didn't notice that a round wasn't ejected.
    (3) I didn't go looking for the round that I thought was ejected.
    (4) I checked the chamber to verify it was empty, but I didn't see the chambered round.
    (4) I didn't treat the "empty" gun as loaded.
    (5) I pointed the gun in an unsafe direction.
    (6) I intentionally or unintentionally pulled the trigger.

    The chance of all of those things happening together is EXTREMELY small, and wouldn't be improved significantly by multiple racking.

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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    Quote Originally Posted by SevenMilePete View Post
    WHY?
    Muscle memory.

    When I leave the house in the morning, after I lock the door, I also try to open it 2 or 3 times to get it indelibly etched into my memory that I have locked the door. Ever drive away wondering if you have locked the house? Never happens to me.

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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterInPA1 View Post
    Muscle memory.

    When I leave the house in the morning, after I lock the door, I also try to open it 2 or 3 times to get it indelibly etched into my memory that I have locked the door. Ever drive away wondering if you have locked the house? Never happens to me.
    No.

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    Default Re: How many times do you rack the slide before being confident itís not loaded?

    I rack until she says she's had enough.
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