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Thread: FFL Screwed Up Paperwork
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May 22nd, 2019, 03:54 PM #11Junior Member
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Re: FFL Screwed Up Paperwork
Thanks. I'm likely going to end up doing this. Just sucks that I have to basically pay $80 to register one gun. I seriously can't believe there's no additional recourse in a situation where an FFL is unwilling to cooperate. I'm going out of my way to fix their records and the state police is telling me to pound sand. I understand that opens up opportunities for owners to falsify records to help cover their tracks, but all they'd have to do is make one phone call to the manufacturer to confirm the new info.
On a positive note it looks to me like SIG Sauer uses different (unique) serial numbering between the P238 and P938 models. So I don't think there's any risk of overlap if anything ever gets reported stolen or whatever. However I can definitely see them giving me a hard time returning the firearm if it's ever seized for anything. Either I pay $80 now or I end up paying even more in lawyer fees and time off work to try to get my property back. That's the way I see things at this point.
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May 22nd, 2019, 04:31 PM #12
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Why should you have to pay $80 for a paperwork error by the dealer? You followed the law. It’s not a registration of ownership. Besides, what do people do when they swap out a handgun barrel to convert from one caliber to another? I doubt most go through the handgun transfer process to transfer it to themselves at the dealer or sheriff’s office every time they change it to another caliber.
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May 22nd, 2019, 05:36 PM #13
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May 22nd, 2019, 05:43 PM #14Junior Member
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I was wondering this myself. Manufacturers like SIG and Beretta legally sell barrel kits to convert their pistols to .22 LR, .40, etc. I guess caliber is less important. But I feel like the model should match up.
I work in QC for a medical device company and over the years I've learned why it's important to be super anal about keeping accurate records sometimes. If for example the frame is damaged and they can only run a partial serial #, they might be able to help narrow it down if they knew the specific model of the gun. Say for example the first or last letter in the serial number is illegible. But we know the gun is a Beretta M9A3 made in 2018 ("IT18" proof mark). Based on that info we can figure out that the first and last letters are "B" and "Z" because Beretta uses the format "B######Z".
The more data points you have the better the chances of tracing a firearm. And when we're talking about court cases here, they typically want more evidence than just a serial #. They want to know all the specifics down to model and caliber used in the incident. Undeniable proof like that can mean the difference in proving someone's innocence or guilt. So when the FFL said the serial # alone is "just fine", that put up a red flag for me.
And yeah, I know there's an argument to be made as to whether any of this paperwork is constitutional to begin with. Unfortunately the reality of it is that the police are already using this info as a registry whether we like it or not. They CAN and WILL confiscate your property and make your life a living hell if you give them any reason to be suspicious. I've personally known people that had to fight to get their property back from police. I really don't want to end up being in that same position.Last edited by mmmoose; May 22nd, 2019 at 05:54 PM.
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May 22nd, 2019, 05:44 PM #15
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Not sure what yours says , but 9mm is technically correct since many .380 pistols do say 9mm Kurz , 9mm Corto , 9x17mm , 9mm Browning Short , etc.
My Polish P-64 chambered in 9x18 Makarov simply says 9mm.I don't speak English , I talk American!
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May 22nd, 2019, 05:45 PM #16Junior Member
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May 22nd, 2019, 06:03 PM #17
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May 22nd, 2019, 06:29 PM #18
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If you're going to take a financial hit, spread the pain around. Give GunLawyer 100 bucks to call the guy on your behalf, making it clear you are asking for correction for the final time before calling BATFE to complain.
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May 22nd, 2019, 06:37 PM #19Grand Member
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Re: FFL Screwed Up Paperwork
Its your prerogative, but I wouldn't be pulling my hair out to make sure the government has their registry detailed correctly. To each his own.
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May 22nd, 2019, 07:25 PM #20
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So what shop was it?
Gunfolks can be a persnickety bunch. Some customer feedback (peer pressure?) could help them change their ways.I don't speak English , I talk American!
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