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April 9th, 2019, 01:53 PM #1
Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
It's time to renew my LTCF, and it just so happens I now live in Philly. Unfortunately, this means I have to deal with the annoyingly frustrating PPD Gun Permits Unit.
If my current LTCF expires during the time while I'm waiting to receive my new one, am I still legally covered to carry a concealed firearm with my non-resident Utah CCW?
This PSP page under the title "Are there exceptions to carrying a firearm without a Pennsylvania License to Carry?" reads:
15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided: (i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109. (ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
This suggests to me that my Utah CCW will allow me to carry in PA while my PA LTCF is renewed. Is this correct or am I looking at this the wrong way?No one can give you freedom. You must claim it for yourself.
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April 9th, 2019, 02:38 PM #2
Re: Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
As a PA resident; the answer is NO.
The only permit a PA resident may use for carrying in PA is LTCF.
However; there is a 6 month grace period for LTCF.
If you have applied for renewing a LTCF BEFORE it expired. Then the expired LTCF is still valid while the application is being processed.
I am not a lawyer; but that is my understanding.--ET
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April 9th, 2019, 02:48 PM #3Grand Member
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Re: Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
In addition to the grace period you can also apply early if it bothers you. You don't have to wait. Just be aware that your new LTCF will be valid from the new issue date, not the current expiration date.
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April 9th, 2019, 02:58 PM #4
Re: Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
I disagree with the bold part. The 6-month window applies even if a renewal application is not submitted until after the original LTCF expires. Given that many counties have a turn-around time of a couple weeks or less, you could be expired for several months before submitting the renewal app, and still be covered.
Obviously, sooner is better, but I do not believe you lose the 'grace period' if you have not submitted a renewal before expiry.Get your "Guns Save Lives" stickers today! PM for more info.
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April 9th, 2019, 04:39 PM #5
Re: Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
You are not covered in PA. However, you may (IANAL) still be covered in other states (i.e. Delaware, Ohio, WV, etc.) by your UT. UT requires you have your home state permit to get a UT if they have reciprocity. What I am unclear on is whether the UT is still valid during the period that you are without a valid PA. That is a question for UT, or a UT certified instructor.
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April 9th, 2019, 05:09 PM #6
Re: Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
I think that the statute is not really clear. The way the statute is written it could be read that you can be arrested for carrying during the 6 months but defend yourself in court with the exception. That may amount to a grace period, but I think the possibility of having to go to court should be taken into account when looking at the statute and stating that there is grace period.
If you read the statute it mentions being arrested in the statute. This could possibly mean that you can be arrested for carrying with an expired license then use the statute as an exception for why you should not be charged with a crime.
I’m not a lawyer and am not stating this as fact, just including what the actual statute says.
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...&div=0&chpt=61
(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license
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April 9th, 2019, 05:33 PM #7
Re: Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
I agree, but it's also possible that when all parties are aware of these facts, it won't go to that length. Most DAs don't have time to prosecute a charge that they KNOW they will lose, and I can tell you from personal experience, some sheriff's will take the same approach. Mine did when I asserted the exception while CCing and entering the courthouse.
You could tell they weren't really 'excited' about it, but the Sheriff himself has stated to me in the presence of others that he believes I know the gun laws better than he does, and when I "reminded" them of this exception, they dropped the matter of me not producing a license even though I *was* concealing.
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April 9th, 2019, 05:43 PM #8
Re: Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
Are you a member of USSCA or US Law Shield? They have lawyers on staff that can give you good, solid information on things like this.
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April 9th, 2019, 06:00 PM #9
Re: Utah CCW while PA LTCF is being renewed
Get your "Guns Save Lives" stickers today! PM for more info.
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April 9th, 2019, 06:02 PM #10
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