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    Default Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    Hey guys. Once again, I am 18 and I wanna purchase a carbine that chambers in 9mm. Wanted to check the legality of that and whether or not it would have to go to a FFL.

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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    Caliber isn't a determining factor for whether or not its a rifle or pistol. Barrel length and Overall length determine that.

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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    As stated above, just get a 9mm rifle like the Ruger PC Carbine and you're good to go. The only issue you may have is you must be 21 to purchase pistol ammunition, so some places may not sell to you claiming to be using 9mm ammunition in a rifle (Walmart for example).

    However it's totally legal to buy the ammunition for use in your rifle. And many places will recognize that pistol caliber carbines have become very popular and shouldn't give you an issue.

    If you're looking for one used you can transfer from a PA resident without going through an FFL.

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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    You may have (logistical, not legal) trouble buying ammo for a PCC, even though it's legal for you to purchase the PCC itself.

    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does...ition-licensee

    Federal law says that it's not legal for an FFL to sell ammo that isn't for a rifle or shotgun to someone who's 18. Now, the way I interpret it is, since the ammo you're going to buy IS for a rifle, it's legal for them to sell you the ammo (regardless of whether or not it was originally designed for pistols or not). Some stores, however, might not see it that way, and might not sell you 9mm until you're 21, even though you're using it in a rifle.

    The way I see it, it's a good excuse to also enter the hobby of reloading :P

    Best of luck with your new firearms journey, and please be involved with promoting and defending your second amendment rights.

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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by jthrelf View Post
    As stated above, just get a 9mm rifle like the Ruger PC Carbine and you're good to go. The only issue you may have is you must be 21 to purchase pistol ammunition, so some places may not sell to you claiming to be using 9mm ammunition in a rifle (Walmart for example).

    However it's totally legal to buy the ammunition for use in your rifle. And many places will recognize that pistol caliber carbines have become very popular and shouldn't give you an issue.

    If you're looking for one used you can transfer from a PA resident without going through an FFL.
    While that may be legal, that's quite the risk and not many people are willing to do a FTF transfer without a bill of sale & copy of LTCF.

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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by jthrelf View Post
    As stated above, just get a 9mm rifle like the Ruger PC Carbine and you're good to go. The only issue you may have is you must be 21 to purchase pistol ammunition, so some places may not sell to you claiming to be using 9mm ammunition in a rifle (Walmart for example).

    However it's totally legal to buy the ammunition for use in your rifle. And many places will recognize that pistol caliber carbines have become very popular and shouldn't give you an issue.

    If you're looking for one used you can transfer from a PA resident without going through an FFL.
    Recently, walmart announced they arent selling any ammunition to anyone under 21 for political reasons anyway

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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Epii View Post
    Recently, walmart announced they arent selling any ammunition to anyone under 21 for political reasons anyway
    Why is anyone still shopping there?

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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.K View Post
    Why is anyone still shopping there?
    Where else is there to shop? Serious question. Not many department stores left.
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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Where else is there to shop? Serious question. Not many department stores left.
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    Default Re: Are pistol caliber carbines legally considered long guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.K View Post
    Why is anyone still shopping there?
    Where else is there to shop? Serious question. Not many department stores left.
    Allow me to rephrase:

    Why is anyone still shopping there for their shooting needs?

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