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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by jakebrake View Post
    Humor me. What caliber were they using during the Civil War? I do believe that everything started with a four. That was long before you had murder is going on in Chicago and New York City.
    Actually, I believe most Civil War rifles were 54 - 58 range, with larger and smaller variants.
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    In the Summary Statement of Ordnance and Ordnance Stores on hand, the United States government divided longarms into at least three categories; Rifles, First Class; Breech-Loading Carbines; and Muzzle Loading Carbines. These were specified as follows:[3]
    Rifles - first class

    Springfield muskets (hand-written onto form)
    U.S. Rifles, model 1855, Calibre .58
    U.S. Rifles, model 18xx, Calibre .54
    Ballard's Breech-loading Rifles, Calibre .5x
    Colt's Revolving Rifles, Cal. .56
    Merrill's Breech-loading Rifles, Calibre .52
    Spencer Breech-loading Rifles, Calibre unspecified
    Sharps' Breech-loading Rifles, Calibre .52
    Prussian Muskets (hand-written onto form)
    Austrian Muskets (hand-written onto form)
    Enfield Rifles, Calibre .58
    Light French Rifles, Calibre .57
    Hawken rifles
    Allen Falling Block rifle .44

    Breech-loading carbines
    Contract carbines as they were known at that time: Cosmopolitan, Sharps, Gallager, Smith and Burnside
    Joslyn, Starr, Lindner, Warner, Maynard and Merrill carbines

    Ballard's rifled. Cal. .44 (takes metallic cartridge)
    Burnside's rifled. Cal. .50
    Spencer's Cal. .52 (hand-written onto form)
    Cosmopolitan, rifled. Calibre .52 and Gwyn and Campbell carbine
    Joslyn's rifled. Calibre .52
    Gallager's rifled. Calibre .50
    Gibbs' rifled. Calibre .52
    Green's rifled. Calibre .54
    Hall's rifled, Calibre .52
    Lindner's. Calibre .58
    Merrill's rifled. Calibre .54
    Maynard's rifled. Calibre .50
    Sharps' rifled. Calibre .52
    Smith's rifled. Calibre .50
    Starr's rifled. Calibre .54
    Warner Carbine Calibre .56
    Triplett & Scott carbine Calibre .56
    Ball repeating carbine Calibre .50
    Remington split breech Calibre .50
    Lee carbine Calibre .50
    Henry rifle Calibre .44
    Volcanic rifle .44
    Various revolving rifles
    Various stocked revolvers
    Tarpley carbine
    Morse carbine Calibre .54
    Keene carbine Calibre .54

    Muzzle-loading carbines

    English Artillery rifled. Calibre
    English Sapper rifled, "Enfield" pattern. Calibre .577
    French Rifled Carbines. Calibre .60
    Pistol Carbine, rifled.
    Musketoons, U.S. XXXX rifled.
    Musketoons, English, smooth-bore.
    Last edited by gghbi; March 28th, 2019 at 06:38 PM.
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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    I now feel justified favoring my m1a and garand over my AR's.

    Thank you clueless journalist.

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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by jakebrake View Post
    Humor me. What caliber were they using during the Civil War? I do believe that everything started with a four. That was long before you had murder is going on in Chicago and New York City.
    Navy caliber revolvers were .36, Army caliber revolvers were .44. There would have also been .22's (cartridge guns) .31 caliber colts, .42 lemats and anything else available commercially privately owned by soldiers.

    Basically the cap and ball equivalent to everything used today.

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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    The new York Slimes, all the "news" that's fit to make up.
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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by DK23 View Post
    The NYT just proved .45 beats 9mm. Now we don't need anymore threads about it.
    I was just about to post this haha!
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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    So they're cool with .223?

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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by God's Country View Post
    So they're cool with .223?
    No, that's more than 10X a .22

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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by raxar View Post
    No, that's more than 10X a .22
    Shit.

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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by middlefinger View Post
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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...aller-bullets/

    Homicides in most major American cities peaked in the early 1990s, just before larger-caliber pistols became common. The homicide rate has fallen nearly by half since then.” Then they add, “But the research about weapon caliber suggests [the homicide rate] could have dropped by even more.”
    I don't want a reduction in the homicide rate as long as the right people are the one's who are part of the homicide rate statistics.
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    Default Re: NYTimes. We need smaller bullets

    Clueless propagandists.

    The rights of the law-abiding are not limited by what the criminals would do. People own guns to stop predators, and "stopping power" matters. Telling some single mother that she's only allowed a 6-shot .22 to stop the 4 rapists who just kicked in her door, and she's only able to wound them so that they have to show up at a doctor's office a few hours later, after they've dumped her body and sold her daughters to the sex slave trade.....not so smart.

    The yuppies at the NYT seem to be completely unaware that most people use guns legally. They also seem to believe that prior to the 1990's, the only guns in common use were "Saturday Night Specials", named that by racist Lefties from the ugly term "******town Saturday Night". Cheap, throwaway guns in smaller calibers that the cheap materials could survive, like .22 and .25 and .32.

    The facts are that 90% of all non-head shot victims survive. That's pretty good for the "modern" auto-loading, larger-than-.22 weapons like the high-tech 1911 model of the .45, in common use for 108 years so far. The truth is that the law-abiding spent most of the 20th century opting between .38 .38 Special and .357 Magnum and .45 ACP, because they weren't buying cheap throwaway guns. Civilian guns tracked cop guns, and NO police department ever issued .22 caliber sidearms to their officers. Ever.

    Try selling the idea of those 6-shot .22 revolvers as standard police sidearms. Let me know how well that goes over.

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