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    Default Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    discuss.

    I mean, yes, but at the same time, I think no(or at least acceptable) unless universal background checks, and a ban on private manufacturing are implemented.

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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    It's a violation of the 2nd Amendment!

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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by flabbydan View Post
    It's a violation of the 2nd Amendment!
    This ^^

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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    If you're a convicted felon the Supreme Court says you are exempt from registering your guns.
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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferG View Post
    If you're a convicted felon the Supreme Court says you are exempt from registering your guns.
    Then it should follow that they be exempt from 4473s and UBCs, in which case UBCs - as currently being demanded by the Dems - serve no purpose, other than to infringe on my 2A rights (which they're perfectly fine with - natch).

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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    A 5th amendment argument was tried regarding income tax forms requiring an affirmation signature. If a signer is prosecuted for a violation such as tax evasion, the document is presented as evidence establishing the crime. Appellant argued his/her having no choice but to sign the document is in effect violating his/her rights to not aid the prosecution of self per provisions of the 5th amendment. The judges ruled that filing income tax reports is voluntary.

    Betcha the ruling would be the same re a 4473 form with respect to the 5th.
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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    No, it isn't, because it is required when transferring a firearm using an FFL.
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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferG View Post
    If you're a convicted felon the Supreme Court says you are exempt from registering your guns.
    True. There's no records showing that a Blood, Crip, or MS13 member has ever purchased a gun.

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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by esh21167 View Post
    True. There's no records showing that a Blood, Crip, or MS13 member has ever purchased a gun.
    Jen said registering, not purchasing.
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    Default Re: Is the 4473 a violartion of the 5th amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferG View Post
    If you're a convicted felon the Supreme Court says you are exempt from registering your guns.
    You are correct it was a decision made in the case Haynes vs US. In a 7 - 1 decision SCOTUS agreed that requiring a convicted felon to register a firearm under NFA '34 was a violation of his 5th amendment rights.
    see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States for a short dissertation.


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