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February 20th, 2019, 04:34 PM #1Junior Member
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If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my car
I bought an AR pistol to use as a backup backpack gun/truck gun. My current understanding is that if my AR pistol goes over 26in overall length, it is legally (even though I bought it as a pistol) is no longer a pistol and is instead a "firearm" (not a rifle, or pistol). Would this mean it wouldn't be covered under my concealed carry permit and couldn't be kept loaded in a backpack or in the trunk?
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February 20th, 2019, 05:10 PM #2
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February 20th, 2019, 05:13 PM #3
Re: If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my
"Firearm." Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches. The barrel length of a firearm shall be determined by measuring from the muzzle of the barrel to the face of the closed action, bolt or cylinder, whichever is applicable.
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February 20th, 2019, 10:48 PM #4
Re: If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my
It depends..
If the barrel is under 15", then yes. If over 15", no.
All guns under 26" OAL are "firearms" in PA, then other contributing factors kick in for handguns, rifles, and shotguns pertaining to their barrel length.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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February 20th, 2019, 11:01 PM #5Super Member
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Re: If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my
Just SBR it, do whatever you want with it and be done with it.
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February 21st, 2019, 12:19 AM #6Grand Member
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Re: If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my
I know the courts may have ruled how they like ignoring all logic given in sentences, but the conjunction OR is used between the barrel length and overall length descriptions to determine or define the term "firearm". In logic an OR means either one or both conditions being met meets the definition. The conjunction AND requires both conditions to be met. If only one or none of the conditions are met, then it is not a firearm for AND. So if the barrel length is under x inches depending on type OR the overall length (independent of type) is less than 26", then it is a firearm.
Or am I missing something about how the commas are placed?It is you. You have all the weapons that you need. Now fight. --Sucker Punch
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February 21st, 2019, 02:01 AM #7
Re: If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my
Which definition of firearm applies?
Can it have a VFG >26"?
How is OAL determined on this gun and that gun?
How do you define shall not be questioned?
It all makes my head hurt. ):
Except that last part.Si vis pacem, para bellumμολ ν λαβέWhat country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!
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February 21st, 2019, 04:43 AM #8
Re: If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my
Here it is broken down.
"Firearm." Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches. The barrel length of a firearm shall be determined by measuring from the muzzle of the barrel to the face of the closed action, bolt or cylinder, whichever is applicable.
1. Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches
2. any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches
3. any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches
4. any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches
So, if the AR pistol has an OAL over 26" and barrel over 15" - it isn't a "firearm". If either dimension is under the specified length, then it is a "firearm".
That is the same logic that the PSP used to determine that the Mossberg Shockwave and the similar Remington are "firearms".Last edited by knight0334; February 21st, 2019 at 04:53 AM.
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February 21st, 2019, 08:26 AM #9
Re: If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my
And remember the OAL doesn't include the muzzle device if it's not pinned and welded or the brace. Only from the tips of the threads on the barrel to the back of the buffer tube.
This shit is so convoluted.
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February 22nd, 2019, 07:04 PM #10Grand Member
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Re: If my AR pistol goes over 26in OAL, would I still be able to keep it loaded in my
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