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    Default Re: William Barr Could Be Worse Than Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by LTCcarrier View Post
    I voted for Trump in both elections. I support the wall. I do not support what he has done in the area of gun control. Banning bump stocks was wrong. He was supposed to advance gun rights. Why did he pick Barr? He knew Barr was anti-gun. Groups wrote to Trump. Trump does not care. There is no secret motive. Those of you think it is to expose Barr or some other clandestine meaning are misinfrmed. We need to hold our President accountable and voice our displeasure when he does not support the 2nd A. I won't vote if he acts like a RINO on gun control. Everyone should tell him the same. I don't care who he runs against, if he supports gun control I will sit out the 2020 election. IF he knows others will do the same he will step up to the plate on gun control.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilderness 1864 View Post
    That is pretty much the thing to do. The border wall is very important, but in the end it is less important to me than the preservation of our Second Amendment rights. That is our last ditch defense line and were we to surrender it we will be Venezuela in four years' time. If Trump signs infringement laws he does not get my vote in 2020. I do not care if he replaces both statist elites Roberts and Ginsberg. It already will take the Supreme Court decades to root out all the Jim Crow infringements at the State and Local level, if they even decide to do it. If sitting out 2020 ushers in the next confirmed socialist/Communist does it really matter? Election fraud is so rampant now, even voting for President Trump in 2020 guarantees nothing. The election of the next socialist/Communist will make matters plain.
    I hear what you guys are saying and feel your frustration. I want Trump to be the perfect candidate on the 2nd. I do not want Barr to take the position. But I will still vote for Trump. There is not a single Democrat running that will not make gun control their number 1 issue and destroying the 2nd in America. Staying home might seem like the thing to do..... but I think it will kill us in the end.
    Proof Armed citizens make a difference. http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012

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    Default Re: William Barr Could Be Worse Than Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by LTCcarrier View Post
    The problem is most people on this site say they will not vote for anyone who infringes on their 2ndA rights. When the time comes I always hear people say "Oh I voted for Toomey because he was the lesser of the evils". Instead of just letting the other person win this one time it perpetuates RINO politicians as they know they have nothing to loose. So this is why in PA you are looking at losing more 2A rights soon and see if your RINOs will come to your assistance. I think not because they truly don't care of your gun rights. My state FL is becoming the same way as New Yawkers come here and bring their liberal beliefs to the Gunshine state. Our new Dept of Agriculture head who is in charge of gun permits is totally anti-gun. I would expect her to do what she can to further restirct permits here in FL to nonresidents and residents. So if you vote for a RINO and don't demand a 2ndA candidate you get what you get and don't get upset.

    You’re right.... Toomey is Shady on the 2nd..... I would not hesitate to say scumbagish. But he voted yes for Gorsuch. He voted yes for Kavenaugh as did a couple of other Senators who are RINO’s.

    Having a democrat as state Senator would have given the Kavenaugh vote a completely different dynamic. There is no way in hell McGinty would have voted yes for Gorsuch, Kavenaugh or a ton of lower court judges. If one or two of the RINO’S in the Senate had not been elected and their Democratic opposition had....... Trumps picks would not be getting in and the stability he has been adding to counter 8 years of Obama picks would not be happening.

    Not perfect candidates..... but they never will be no matter how many elections people decide to sit out. But even in a case of two bad candidates there is still a better choice. Sometimes you have to go with it. Imo.
    Proof Armed citizens make a difference. http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012

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    Default Re: William Barr Could Be Worse Than Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by internet troll View Post
    I hear what you guys are saying and feel your frustration. I want Trump to be the perfect candidate on the 2nd. I do not want Barr to take the position. But I will still vote for Trump. There is not a single Democrat running that will not make gun control their number 1 issue and destroying the 2nd in America. Staying home might seem like the thing to do..... but I think it will kill us in the end.
    I am not expecting there to be a perfect candidate. Reliance on an uncertain Supreme Court is misplaced. The point is that the incremental infringements are destroying the Second Amendment. Universal background checks amount to complete registration, or is easily the foundation for it. All it would need is one more tweak. Toomey is so dishonest on this point is is sickening. He says his bill specifically prohibits registration. Right, he just puts all the infrastructure in place for it. Then, in the next Congress, they make one amendment to remove the word "not" before "register". It is that simple. Years of supporting incremental infringements will kill us in the end too. And by the time they start rounding them and us up, there will be nothing left to do but surrender. Make them declare their intentions now. Then let's have that political debate in full view. Force them to repeal the Second Amendment and see where that takes us. I think honesty and full disclosure of the issue is healthier for the Republic than what is going on now.

    Look at CA, NY, NJ, CT. Every session they just keep piling on more and more. There is never an end to it. The Second Amendment is already in tatters in those states and others. At that national level that approach will be a disaster for our rights in short order. I want the RINO Democrats unmasked as to their real agenda, and the incremental approach helps them hide it. No more hiding the citizen disarmament agenda. It is the RINOS that are hiding it. Some Democrats prefer stealth for obviousl\ reasons, but some do not care. With control of only one House in Congress, they are ready to bring on the fight. https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-mental-health

    We have it in spades here in PA right now. HB2060 opened the door and they are going to keep widening the breach until we are worse that the other infringement states within 4 years or less.

    Here is a suggested amendment that pro-2A legislators should tack on to every proposed infringement bill:Disarm Politicians.jpg
    Last edited by Wilderness 1864; February 10th, 2019 at 09:59 AM.

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