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Thread: Slide Release or Rack It?
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February 8th, 2019, 12:45 AM #61Grand Member
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Re: Slide Release or Rack It?
Most people won't ever send enough rounds down range or train to the level of someone who was Delta. More importantly, most people won't ever be inoculated to life and death stress like someone who was Delta either. If using a slide stop lever works for you, great. I won't poo poo anyone who does. It isn't for everyone. Speed isn't the factor for me. Using an overhand rack if far better for the majority of people in a critical incident in my opinion though.
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February 8th, 2019, 01:25 AM #62
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Most people won't ever have to ever reload their gun anywhere but on the range or in their bedroom period so all of this is for personal betterment and in all odds nothing more. 5 of the 6 guys I posted took the knowledge they learned via our tax dollars and have adapted it to training the Law enforcement and civilian world so while they were delta or seals they know they are dealing with civilians in most cases and train accordingly. The 2nd video in your cut and copy is of John taking the ECQC course that is for civilians designed by a retired narcotics police officer. In a real gun fight speed and accuracy is everything delta operator or local truck driver so what ever your method if you have to reload you better be faster then the other guy or carry a big ass magazine because your already in a really bad situation if it's come to this many rounds.
From the start I said either way is correct it comes down to comfort and knowing your skills, limitations, and weapon. Anyone who tells you differently is a moron regardless of the level of shooter they are. I've seen all the guys in the videos I posted do it both ways for different reasons and different weapons they all have a preference but aren't married to one.
Me personally for defensive shooting I have trained for exactly this, close, accurate and fast. I have no fantasies of diving, running, or seeking cover or making that 50 yard pistol shot because if I can do that there isn't much need for me to be exchanging rounds with someone. I carry a single stack pistol appendix and won't be changing that unless it's a SHTF scenario and again that's most likely just another fantasy I don't train for. I view other methods of carry especially pocket or off body in a purse like my wife does as a complete waste because it deviates from my above personal goals, but that's another useless argument based on personal preference for another day.
Just make sure you know you're limits, gear and make sure it's properly maintained regardless of your preferred method and safely dry practice for at least 5 or 10 minutes every day and your already ahead of the game.
Last edited by Hodgie; February 8th, 2019 at 02:36 AM.
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February 8th, 2019, 03:49 AM #63
Re: Slide Release or Rack It?
I'll just throw my 2 cents in.
Most civilians carrying are under trained compared to active/retired police/military.
There is also a much larger spectrum of poor physical fitness capability in the civilian carry community.
So find the one method that works best for your capabilities and limitations, and train that way exclusively to keep yourself as sharp as possible.
This will give the average person the best chance of surviving a real life civilian gunfight.How can you have any cookies if you don't drink your milk?
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February 8th, 2019, 03:58 AM #64Grand Member
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Re: Slide Release or Rack It?
I wasn't saying people not having strength to rack the slide. I was saying there is a risk that your slide gripping fingers are riding the slide on its way forward from slide lock, which is a risk of messing up whether you grab it fully extended or push pull or whatever method you choose to rack the slide. Slide release is the closest guarantee to consistent slide velocity.
Anyways, my point wasn't that was that was why you shouldn't rack the slide from slide lock. It was that it was one of the potential negatives of doing that, which mainly stems from not practicing (as you had suggested). The main negatives of the slide release techniques also stem from not practicing. The point is, whatever you choose to do, PRACTICE it.
Except for relying on inertia from magazine insertion, that is not valid technique. No one should be relying on luck to get their gun working. Don't do that.
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February 8th, 2019, 03:59 AM #65
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February 8th, 2019, 07:43 AM #66
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I hate that most people giving advice and talking shit about not being able to manipulate the slide stop/release hardly ever shoot their guns. I don't train for self defense, but I shoot competitions. I shoot on average 10k rounds of 9mm a year. I practice and dry fire all the time. Trust me, I will have no problem reloading my gun under stress. Why? It is a subconscious action to reload my gun. When it goes to slide lock, the mag is immediately coming out of the gun and my hand is going for a second mag. Another reason I'm not concerned is I never carry a spare mag. I will NEVER be in a gun fight. I may have to defend myself but let's be real. Nobody is getting in an extended gunfight in the civilian world. Shit isn't going to hit the fan and the zombies aren't coming. All of you couch ninjas need to relax.
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February 8th, 2019, 08:56 AM #67
Re: Slide Release or Rack It?
When I rack the slide, I keep pulling back until my hand comes off the gun and hits myself in the chest. This ensures that I've pulled the slide all the way back and I'm not riding it going forward.
And I ALWAYS rack the slide. That way, it doesn't matter which gun I'm using - that works for everything.
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February 8th, 2019, 09:01 AM #68Grand Member
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Re: Slide Release or Rack It?
You do you. Me, I transitioned from slide release to slingshot a long time back, as it's the same across all semi-autos, even if it's "slower" for the screaming eagles out there.
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February 8th, 2019, 09:30 AM #69
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i try to slam the mag, the pistol releases it's own slide. if not i'll rack it because manipulating a finger out of position to hit the release bar is tedious.
if i don't hear it, i rack it.
my first handgun had a little nub release, uncomfortable and hard to hit even at the range, no choice but to rack. my new handgun has ambi-bars but releases when you slam the mag in with gusto.There is no way to make it out alive...
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February 8th, 2019, 09:40 AM #70
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