LTFC Confiscated

[Krichardson]

Since Philadelphia is a sanctuary city do undocumented creatures count in that million?

No but I heard that they are exempt from having to fork over the twenty bucks when they apply.....thanks to Kenny.

[Ret-Fed]

I was a recent victim of firearm theft, reported on February 1st, 2019 11:00 pm to my local precinct. My firearm was stolen from my vehicle and I reported the incident upon the discovery of said theft. I agreed to be interviewed by Detective S to file a report, and was subsequently asked to return to retrieve my belongings left at his desk. I returned to the precinct February 3rd, 2019 1:30 am and to my surprise, Detective S asked for my LTCF and informed me that he will be confiscating it. I did not receive a property receipt for this confiscation nor any written pertinent information. I had stated my position that I did not lose my firearm due to negligence, it was intentinally stolen in an act of vehicular burglary. But the Detective maintained his position that I was not fit to continue carrying. ...

Your Pennsylvania LtCF was also "stolen" ... you may want to consider filing a report with the Philadelphia PD for that also.

[Walleye Hunter]

I never leave a gun in my car... but that being said, take Gunlawyers advice and pursue an atty..

The detective might have to eat some crow if he just took your license without just cause, it seems you did the responsible thing and reported the crime when it happened....

Where in Philly did this happen by the way?

Unfortunately there is never a penalty for the detective who does a citizen wrong.

[t1066]

Your Pennsylvania LtCF was also "stolen" ... you may want to consider filing a report with the Philadelphia PD for that also.

No limingbin, don't do this. It will not help your situation and could cause problems for you. The lawyer GL mentioned will be able to help you go about this the way that will work best for you.

[sbmania]

So this whole thread begs the question: Is it the greater evil to scrupulously obey the law, lock your firearm in your car, enter the post office, or posted mall, or casino or wherever, have your firearm subsequently stolen, and now probably out on the street being used in a crime by some thug? And have PPD confiscate your CCW to boot. Or, keep the firearm concealed, go about your business, and return home later in the day with your firearm and CCW still in your possession? Which is the greater evil?

I'm not talking about entering a government building or some other area with airport level security and metal detectors, more so places that you are not supposed to carry, but where there are no significant precautions to prevent it.

Also, if wherever you were parked it is common to have your car broken into, it seems to me that that is exactly the kind of place you would want to be carrying your firearm with you - not leaving it locked in the car!

[Parrisk]

What if it were on a coffee table inside the home, and a burglar simply broke the window, reached in and took it? What if instead, the burglar stole cash from the car, then used that to buy a gun off the street to kill someone? Or instead stole a ball bat? Or a hammer?

Why does the inherent need to blame "someone" so frequently result in the victim as the bad guy?

ETA - I didn't see the word "loaded" in the OP. Either way, it shouldn't matter.

Agreed ^^

Your Pennsylvania LtCF was also "stolen" ... you may want to consider filing a report with the Philadelphia PD for that also.

also ditto ^^

It sounds like a detective overstepping his authority. Knowing most folks would have said "oops left it at my house since I don't have my EDC anymore" He did not disclose HE was going to confiscate.. and under what authority did he act????

Lawyer up.. sounds like you might have hit the Ghetto Lottery!!

[TaePo]

There are several types of small or "mini" safes that have cable ties, usually fit under seats or in center consoles, and have motion sensor alarms.

I use one when I travel as I never know when I might need to enter a prohibited place. I also bring the unit into my hotel room while I sleep. No system prevents all theft but the casual thief would think twice especially once the alarm sounds.

I don't think it should be mandated, though, but it is a good idea. Also, get a nice cheap backup. Used is fine for that. Lately, Taurus has had great pricing on the G2s and the US designed and produced Spectrum (.380). If a shooting or trial occurs, the gun in question will go into evidence until the case is adjudicated. It may take years, it could get lost or damaged! So a backup becomes paramount.

[fingers80002]

There are several types of small or "mini" safes that have cable ties, usually fit under seats or in center consoles, and have motion sensor alarms.

I use one when I travel as I never know when I might need to enter a prohibited place. I also bring the unit into my hotel room while I sleep. No system prevents all theft but the casual thief would think twice especially once the alarm sounds.

I don't think it should be mandated, though, but it is a good idea. Also, get a nice cheap backup. Used is fine for that. Lately, Taurus has had great pricing on the G2s and the US designed and produced Spectrum (.380). If a shooting or trial occurs, the gun in question will go into evidence until the case is adjudicated. It may take years, it could get lost or damaged! So a backup becomes paramount.

If you live behind enemy lines, hide your shit, catbox101.......

[SevenMilePete]

Hi, this thread has gathered a lot of responses and I will try to address as many concerns as possible.

Firstly, the intention to confiscate was not divulged when he asked for my permit. The Detective asked for my LTCF as though he simply needed to make a copy for his records. It was only after I handed it over did he openly informed me that I will need to contact the gun issuing unit to get it back.

Secondly, it was to my knowledge that having a carry permit doesn’t necessarily mean I HAVE to carry. I simply have the legal option of maintaining my firearm at home, in my vehicle or on my persons. As opposed to those without a permit, then you’re only able to have your firearms at home or work. In fact, according to carry laws, I MUST possess a carry permit in order to have a firearm in my vehicle in the first place.

I’m originally a carry holder from Florida and having a weapon in your vehicle was never considered an unsafe act as the vehicle is considered my property just as much as my home, both of which I’m entitled to defend in case of unauthorized intrusion. I did not know Philadelphia makes a very big distinction between having a firearm in your home versus your vehicle. The Detective made it clear that the government considers a home secure while a vehicle is not. Despite the fact my car probably has more theft deterrent technology than most homes.

I’m sure the Detective has seen his fair share of idiots and truly bad characters while on the job, but I’m not one. I was painted as an idiot who’d lost a gun. The fact was, someone took a deliberate act of stealing it from me. I didn’t stroll down the street misplacing things.

Thanks. Sorry for your misfortune. I think you've helped a lot of folks out with this post, on what not to do. I probably would have done the same, but now, will have a copy of my permit with me if it ever does.

[theshadow]

There is something here no one is mentioning. The OP parks his vehicle on a public street in the City of Brotherly Love in Philadelphia. His vehicle contains a loaded firearm which is left in the vehicle, subsequently broken into and the firearm is taken.(overnight/during the day?). Does the said owner of the firearm and vehicle bare any responsibility for his negligence leaving his firearm in the vehicle?. What happens down the road if the firearm is used in a crime where there is severe bodily injury or death? Maybe not criminal charges, but civil litigation could be a possibility the OP might face. I do not believe the OP LTCF had to be surrendered/confiscated as per the cited case. It might take awhile to get the LTCF back. I would hope they get the firearm back, but that could take much longer even maybe years.

I'll play your what if, and turn it on you. what if the OP parked on a public street to go to the Post Office (legally can't have firearms on their parking lot) or other facility where firearms were not legally authorized for carry? What if the OP was just a law abiding citizen twice victimized , both times by scum who feel entitled to his property, only thing is one is backed by the Government of the city?