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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    If the semi-auto ar-15 pattern rifle is a "military style" rifle, then our military or other world militaries must have many in use, right?

    I wonder how many semi auto M4's or M16's there are (I already know the answer to that.... M4's and M16's are a spec, and thus there is no such thing as a semi-auto M4 or M16).

    As to the "designed to kill as many people as possible" argument, if that's true (and it sort of is*), then why do the police carry them? Are they planning on "killing as many people as possible"? Or are they just trying to ensure the best possible odds at stopping a threat*?

    *or "threats", if there are 5 bad guys, you want at least a few shots for each, right?

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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    Quote Originally Posted by pennlineman View Post
    It bugs me that we beat around the bush on the true meaning of the 2nd. It is for personal protection, national security and defense against tyranny. Is isn't because the deer were coming.
    What you are saying is that the Second Amendment is a dear amendment and not a deer amendment!

    As for an M4 or M16, they are select fire weapons (semi-auto or full auto / burst). The AR15s are not (semi only).
    It is you. You have all the weapons that you need. Now fight. --Sucker Punch

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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    The part that sticks out is the CCW ban. It doesn't "cite a non existent ordinance" it cites the correct ordinance but via a "typo" drops a digit.

    The ordinance it cites is what allows LTCF protections, but then specifically excludes the portions that are the LTCF exceptions.

    They wanted to ban OC and CC with an LTCF, but are so inept they couldn't have some one proofread the law before presenting it.

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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    Quote Originally Posted by Royinmontco View Post
    If the semi-auto ar-15 pattern rifle is a "military style" rifle, then our military or other world militaries must have many in use, right?

    I wonder how many semi auto M4's or M16's there are (I already know the answer to that.... M4's and M16's are a spec, and thus there is no such thing as a semi-auto M4 or M16).

    As to the "designed to kill as many people as possible" argument, if that's true (and it sort of is*), then why do the police carry them? Are they planning on "killing as many people as possible"? Or are they just trying to ensure the best possible odds at stopping a threat*?

    *or "threats", if there are 5 bad guys, you want at least a few shots for each, right?
    I agree with you on this. It's similar to say I want to own a 1911, except the 1911 is a specific spec of pistol. What I mean by that is that an actual 1911 pistol would be the full military version, and civilian manufactured pistol that resembles a 1911 is in fact only an imitation.
    "Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."- Marvin Heemeyer

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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    Anyone ordering an AR-15 or building one, insisting on military specs, (gasp), played right into their hands.
    There are two kinds of guns. Those I have acquired, and those I hope to.

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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    These gun grabbers like to use the AR15 as a prop because they are owned by almost every gun owner in one configuration or another. The gun shop walls are AR15s from one end of the show room to the other. Because of the amount of AR15s and the popularity of them, they will more then likely show up in a lot of shootings, it's just a matter of simple math. They aren't any more deadly then a pistol or shotgun would be. Anyone with half a brain knows this. The people the gun grabbers are preaching to are not gun owners. They just see scary looking gun... Do you ever notice that every time when the fake news covers a story about a gun show or a protest they zoom in on the AR15s? They are using the word AR15 and assault rifle and all the other buzz words as a way to terrorize people that don't know better. It's a form of mind control... Brainwashing.


    If there was a car on the market that was as popular as the AR15. There would be more people speeding, crashing, dying, and drunk driving those cars more then others.

    Ban every gun on their list. Magically make all the millions of guns not turned in... No one will just turn them in. Make them disappear somehow and shootings will just start happening with another gun. Then it will be that gun needs to be band and so on...
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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Anyone ordering an AR-15 or building one, insisting on military specs, (gasp), played right into their hands.
    Never forget, the military is issued weapons from the lowest bidder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by :-) View Post
    These gun grabbers like to use the AR15 as a prop because they are owned by almost every gun owner in one configuration or another. The gun shop walls are AR15s from one end of the show room to the other. Because of the amount of AR15s and the popularity of them, they will more then likely show up in a lot of shootings, it's just a matter of simple math. They aren't any more deadly then a pistol or shotgun would be. Anyone with half a brain knows this. The people the gun grabbers are preaching to are not gun owners. They just see scary looking gun... Do you ever notice that every time when the fake news covers a story about a gun show or a protest they zoom in on the AR15s? They are using the word AR15 and assault rifle and all the other buzz words as a way to terrorize people. It's a form of mind control... Brainwashing.
    Statistics have *NOT* borne this out. It only seems that way because the MSM hammers on that point whenever there *is* one, and doesn't mention the weapon otherwise, so all the sheeple ever hear about is assault weapons in mass shootings.

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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    Quote Originally Posted by :-) View Post
    These gun grabbers like to use the AR15 as a prop because they are owned by almost every gun owner in one configuration or another. The gun shop walls are AR15s from one end of the show room to the other. Because of the amount of AR15s and the popularity of them, they will more then likely show up in a lot of shootings, it's just a matter of simple math. They aren't any more deadly then a pistol or shotgun would be. Anyone with half a brain knows this. The people the gun grabbers are preaching to are not gun owners. They just see scary looking gun... Do you ever notice that every time when the fake news covers a story about a gun show or a protest they zoom in on the AR15s? They are using the word AR15 and assault rifle and all the other buzz words as a way to terrorize people that don't know better. It's a form of mind control... Brainwashing.


    If there was a car on the market that was as popular as the AR15. There would be more people speeding, crashing, dying, and drunk driving those cars more then others.

    Ban every gun on their list. Magically make all the millions of guns not turned in... No one will just turn them in. Make them disappear somehow and shootings will just start happening with another gun. Then it will be that gun needs to be band and so on...
    Quite right, and there's something else that's going on with it: AR's are also the most socially relevant gun. They're what people buy now versus stuff that was dad's or granddads. They're cheaper and more fun to shoot than boring bolt guns that cost a buck a round and beat up your shoulder and ears. You can work on them at home instead of coughing up money for a gunsmith bill. They're the #1 gun to buy stuff for online. It's something actually worth owning and caring about. It's practical to own and use for everything instead of just taking up space in a safe for 95-99% of the year.

    It destroys the Fudd problem, making gun ownership relevant to the modern generation and people who live everywhere. It can make non-gun owners into gun owners. That's what the anti gun people REALLY hate.
    "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws--that's insane!" -- Penn Jillette

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    Default Re: Dr. John Lott on Pittsburgh's Proposed Ordinance

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.K View Post
    But the gun grabbers conflate "assault weapon" with "machine gun" to the point where those who don't know better think all are machine guns. (There's even a Bloomburg interview where he made that claim on camera. To her credit, the interviewer corrected him.)

    By the time we get past "not the same", the sheeple will tune out anything else we have to say, so best to start there.

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    My 2¢
    YMMV
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    Exactly, facts mean nothing to these people. It tunes them out. Facts only matter to fence sitters.

    We can factually state that EBRs work the same as that Browning BAR deer rifle... The Bloomiebergers will just want that gone as well too, we just set them up for it.

    We factually stated that if fucking nutcases were helped before they hurt someone with mommys/daddys stolen gun, it would be better.

    Now we have red flag laws everywhere to seize guns if you raise your voice in your house.

    The issues are the gun grabbers. Maybe if they were sent pics of their homes, cars, kids and told not to vote - or else..
    All of my guns are lubed with BACON GREASE.

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