how do we fix the nra ?

**Gunsnwater** · January 18th, 2019, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Hodgie

"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." G. Michael Hopf

It's time to become and raise our children to become the strong men needed to make real change.

Absolutely. Too much is left to pop culture and socialist infested school system. Bitching and just going to work while the take over of values and ideas flourishes around us has gotten us here.

**normanvin** · January 18th, 2019, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by mmi

do we have to start calling and writing letters to the nra to get them to stop supporting gun control .
like red flag laws and bump stocks . it is getting nuts .

By stop giving them money

**unclejumbo** · January 18th, 2019, 11:40 AM

The fact that we still have semi-autos after some of the most horrific mass shootings imaginable is a good indicator of the influence of the NRA. It's amazing to me that some of you don't see that. This "what have you done for me lately" level of rhetoric is absurd. There is no point in the NRA wasting money where they absolutely can't succeed. Looking at CA, NJ, NY and the other states that have been taken over by progressives.

As to enhanced PA preemption, our legislators screwed that up royally. Either by design or supreme incompetence, we don't have it. And as soon as Wolf took the reigns, we weren't going to get it. Why should the NRA lobby for legislation knowing it will be vetoed?

To give some clarity, the NRA works closely with legislators. They attempt to stop bad law before it happens. That's a more effective strategy than filing a suit to have it overturned. (See the ACA) They work to inform legislators and the POTUS about the negatives of legislation when everybody feels good about this great new idea. Whether it's including the no-fly list in background checks or shouting that red-flag laws must include due process.

I do believe the NRA has done a very poor job of money management and that needs to be addressed. It would appear they may have gotten used to the money rolling in and treated themselves to luxuries that weren't warranted.

Without pointing the finger at anyone, it's clear from this and other threads that some of you have no idea how our government actually operates. I encourage everyone to take the time to read about the ins and outs of the legislative process, how the sausage gets made if you will. How our legislators throw legislation out there as red meat for certain groups, knowing it will go nowhere. How procedural votes are used to kill legislation. How legislators will bargain with one another to vote "yes" on something they oppose to give them cover in their district.

The way the NRA is most effective, beyond reminding legislators that are casually pro-gun about the negatives of certain legislation, is the big stick they carry. Many politicians have wailed about the NRA being the cause for their defeat. Between the membership and the non-members that follow the NRA's lead, many politicians know that crossing them is the end of their career. The more the NRA is weakened, the smaller that sticks becomes.

No doubt, they've made some missteps. But they are also the victim of some very well done hit pieces by the antis. When I see pro-2A folks using sources like Mother Jones, Vox, Rolling Stone and The Daily Beast to attack the NRA, I have to wonder if they're actually pro-2A or are they just that stupid to carry the water for their enemies. Add to that, the "no compromise" folks that have a soapbox and not the slightest idea how the process works and you have a recipe for some crushing defeats in regards to gun laws.

**JenniferG** · January 18th, 2019, 12:28 PM

I blame gun owners. They don't show up to vote on crucial elections and they don't contribute time and money where it's needed. The NRA has approximately five million members, the GOA with couple of hundred thousand. There are approximately one hundred million or more gun owners in the USA. That's less than ten percent who contribute to the cause if you add the state groups and other small organizations. Gun owners are freeloaders. They depend on a small group of dedicated individuals to support the rest. Blame gun owners if you feel that you are losing rights and precious pieces of plastic to attach to your bargain basement piece together AR15's.

**wanneroo** · January 18th, 2019, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by JenniferG

I blame gun owners. They don't show up to vote on crucial elections and they don't contribute time and money where it's needed. The NRA has approximately five million members, the GOA with couple of hundred thousand. There are approximately one hundred million or more gun owners in the USA. That's less than ten percent who contribute to the cause if you add the state groups and other small organizations. Gun owners are freeloaders. They depend on a small group of dedicated individuals to support the rest. Blame gun owners if you feel that you are losing rights and precious pieces of plastic to attach to your bargain basement piece together AR15's.

More and more as I go through life I find the vast majority of human beings sleepwalk through life and have their brains in a fog. Your average person here on this forum has an above average IQ and a capacity for critical thinking so it's very easy to communicate on this forum every day and think everyone else out there is the same. Most people get by doing the least that they can and have a basic level of contentment and as long as they have that, they don't give a crap.

**ett** · January 18th, 2019, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by wanneroo

More and more as I go through life I find the vast majority of human beings sleepwalk through life and have their brains in a fog. Your average person here on this forum has an above average IQ and a capacity for critical thinking so it's very easy to communicate on this forum every day and think everyone else out there is the same. Most people get by doing the least that they can and have a basic level of contentment and as long as they have that, they don't give a crap.

**GunLawyer001** · January 18th, 2019, 02:36 PM

It's easy here in PA to look at Federal laws and wonder why they aren't as easy-going as PA laws.

The NRA is a national organization, they have to deal with the mindsets of Leftists huddled in big cities and taking daily anti-depressants and mood stabilizers.

Look at our neighboring states. If we had Federal laws that were the average of PA and NJ and NY and MD and MASS and CT laws, we'd already have permanent limits on magazine size, and bans on most semi-autos, and limited carry laws (the feds could restrict your right to carry just like they passed a gun-free school law and banned your possession of many imported guns).

The fact that Federal law is better for us than the average of the state laws, with population factored in, tells me that the NRA is doing very well indeed. Half the country voted for Hillary, and that half is mostly in California and NY and NJ and other gun-hating states. Half the country wants you utterly disarmed. Do our laws look like a middle ground between "any guns we want" and "no guns at all except for cops and soldiers"? Nope. You're welcome.

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**Emptymag** · January 18th, 2019, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by wanneroo

More and more as I go through life I find the vast majority of human beings sleepwalk through life and have their brains in a fog. Your average person here on this forum has an above average IQ and a capacity for critical thinking so it's very easy to communicate on this forum every day and think everyone else out there is the same. Most people get by doing the least that they can and have a basic level of contentment and as long as they have that, they don't give a crap.

Well, that and wanting precious pieces of plastic to attach to their bargain basement piece together AR15's, apparently.

**bug** · January 18th, 2019, 06:40 PM

When the liberal gun control advocates and the mainstream media stop hating the NRA, maybe I'll consider the OP's thoughts. Till then, if it ain't broke.....

Bob D

**Hodgie** · January 18th, 2019, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by bug

When the liberal gun control advocates and the mainstream media stop hating the NRA, maybe I'll consider the OP's thoughts. Till then, if it ain't broke.....

Bob D

They don't hate the NRA they hate you, they just don't have enough balls to say it outright. Clinton came damn close with her "deplorable's" comment and it defiantly was one of the reasons why she lost the election.

The NRA is the face of the BOOGIE MAN that the politicians and the MSM need to demonize, they know damn well they are taking the guns from average every day Americans, not some advocacy group.