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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    Quote Originally Posted by marinville View Post
    00 buck for me. Federal flight control. No reduced recoil. No mini shells. No racking the pump for effect. No firing two blasts into the air. No birdshot to 'give em something to think about'. The time for thinking was before they came into the house. Just 00 buck. I know where the kids beds are. I wont shoot in that direction.

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    While in the academy, medical examiner Filinger, showing slides of cases, described a male entered a home in west Philly, climbed the steps. Person inside shot him in the chest with a shotgun (sorry, don't recall the load, but we are talking mere feet here). The male turned around, walked back down the steps and exited the home, and collapsed on the sidewalk, dead. The heart was obliterated. Loss of blood pressure and supply was instantaneous. His brain retained enough oxygen to make it down and out. Had he been armed and chose to, he probably would have been able to inflict death or injury after receiving the wound.
    Sounds like a reason to shoot them a second time.

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    For those who put stock in shooting Jello.

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    I was in California L/E for 31 years and we carried #4 buck exclusively. We had low recoil slugs available for longer ranges if needed. Much testing proceeded the decision to go with #4, but it was determined to fulfill most situation requirements. Many of you will disagree and that's fine. Just offering my experience with the #4 buck.
    Doug

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ol' Fart View Post
    I was in California L/E for 31 years
    That's all we need to hear.. 00 it is..

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    Glitch in the matrix

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    I personally load with #4 after patterning both at about 15 yards. Greatly depends on the shotgun and choke. I tried Flite Control at that distance and it was literally one hole in the paper from my Benelli M4. Normal 00 with or without the filler, are still very tight, maybe like 3-4". #4 high velocity puts 28 pellets at over 1300 FPS with a much greater hit probability with no relevant loss of power, but stray pellets have far less over penetration.

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    It is unlikely you will confront an adversary that offers you a perfect B27 pose. My recommendation is to use enough pellet weight still be effective from oblique angles and through intermediate targets, like an arm. 4 buck minimum. I use 20 pellet 1 buck. Bird shot is for birds.

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    Every situation is different. Use the shot that best suits your circumstances. You must pattern the shot and gun you will be using to understand it's pattern. Chokes in the barrel and barrel length also make a difference on the effectiveness of your shot.
    Corruption is the default behavior of government officials. JPC

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    Default Re: Home Defense: 00 Buck or #4 Buck?

    Quote Originally Posted by imashooter2 View Post
    It is unlikely you will confront an adversary that offers you a perfect B27 pose. My recommendation is to use enough pellet weight still be effective from oblique angles and through intermediate targets, like an arm. 4 buck minimum. I use 20 pellet 1 buck. Bird shot is for birds.
    Well said. I would add...through heavy winter clothing. I don't believe birdshot will give reliable and adequate penetration. I see buckshot as a more reliable fight stopper. I would only rely on birdshot for HD if I had nothing else....or if I was expecting to be set upon by birds, rabbits, squirrels or sheets of paper.

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