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    New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- Gun rights attorney and Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs board member Evan Nappen, Esq. has issued legal guidance on how to handle potential efforts by police to enforce the Murphy magazine ban.

    Entitled “Knock! Knock! Show Us Your Glock,” the insightful guide by Nappen covers what to expect and how to protect yourself if the unthinkable happens. Click here to view the guide online. Please share this link far and wide among gun owners.

    In the meanwhile, Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs is gearing up for further appeal of the legal challenge against the Murphy mag ban. Please watch for upcoming alerts on the litigation as it continues.

    Knock! Knock! – Show Us Your Glock

    What to Expect & How to Protect Yourself from the Murphy Magazine Ban
    By Evan F. Nappen, Attorney at Law

    The Murphy Magazine Ban WILL be enforced. It is only a question of what degree it will be enforced against honest gun owners.

    “The New Jersey State Police corresponded with Breitbart News on December 11 and refused to rule out house-to-house enforcement of the state’s “high capacity” magazine ban.”

    Possession of any magazine holding over 10 rounds that works in a semi-automatic firearm is now a felony-level offense with a penalty of up to 18 months in prison. There is no “grandfather clause.” If you are convicted, you lose your gun rights for the entire United States. These standard capacity magazines, which have been turned into contraband, are commonly being called “Murphy Mags.”

    There are four basic levels of potential enforcement. The question is how aggressive the anti-gun-rights Murphy administration is going to be in enforcing the Murphy Mag ban. Here are the four possibilities:

    Police Raids: House-to-house searches of suspected possessors.
    Police Investigations: Interrogation of suspected possessors.
    Demand Letters: Intimidating official letters sent to suspected possessors.
    Random Prosecutions: Randomly prosecuting anyone caught possessing.
    Police Raids

    Many gun owners are very concerned that the police will be coming door to door and searching homes. It is unlikely to happen. The State Police claim to have “no plans” at this time to do this. However, it is not an unreasonable fear, considering the extremist left’s fanatical hatred of gun owners. Ultimately New Jersey’s zealous anti-gun-rights Attorney General could order the State Police to act. To say it will never happen would be foolish. Although a search warrant is normally necessary, house-to-house searches have happened without warrants if there are “exigent circumstances.” Approximately five years ago, this was done in Boston when the police were looking for a terrorist suspect. Here are some reasons/scenarios why it might happen in New Jersey:

    Some highly publicized mass shooting occurs, and the knee-jerk, politically expedient reaction is to go after Murphy Mag possessors.
    Murphy’s failure to aggressively enforce his ban gives his political challengers the opportunity to call him out on it. There is already pressure on Murphy to explain how he intends to enforce the ban. Breitbart News also reached out to Murphy’s press secretary, Daniel Bryan, about enforcement of the ban. He confirmed that the Governor “…had not ruled out house-to-house enforcement of the ban either.”
    New Jersey has a computerized database of registered gun owners & their registered handguns which includes make and model. Many of these handguns came with Murphy Mags. For example, 15 round magazines came standard with the Glock Model 19, Beretta Model
    92 and SIG Model P226, just to name three commonly possessed handguns.
    New Jersey has a long history of abusing gun owners, creating “gun law victims” (destroying people’s lives with arbitrary gun laws) and undermining Second Amendment rights.
    New Jersey has a liberal news media which actively acts as the propaganda arm for the anti-gun-rights movement.
    New Jersey law enforcement will obey orders and enforce the law, rather than lose their jobs & pensions.
    In 1990, the Florio Administration explored going after “Assault Firearm” owners under the newly enacted “Assault Firearm” law, which included a “large capacity ammunition magazine” ban. They tried to quietly sneak through an Administrative Code provision requiring the filing of the Certificate of Eligibility with the police on private sales of long arms. This would have cured the break-in establishing the chain of possession. I helped to kill it by successfully challenging the code modification as being outside the statutory law. The Florio Administration abandoned their scheme. Since then, the Murphy Administration has eliminated private sales via newly passed legislation.

    There are other important differences between the Florio Ban of 1990 & the current Murphy Mag Ban:

    There are substantially more, commonly possessed, standard capacity magazines that hold over 10 rounds, than over 15, that fit readily identifiable, registered handguns.
    There was no reliable pre-existing computer database in 1990.
    In 1990, there was not the intense fanatical hatred gun owners that exists today.
    There was no windfall of Bloomberg money for anti-gun extremist candidates in 1990.
    What to Do If the Police Raid Your Home?

    A right given up is a right lost. Do not consent to a search without a warrant. Never physically resist. Do not sign any documents or statements without an attorney’s advice. All citizens have a Fourth Amendment right to a warrant being issued before their person or premises are searched. Exceptions exist regarding the necessity for a warrant, and a large body of law exists as to when a law enforcement officer has probable cause for a warrantless search. However, whether probable cause for the warrantless search exists or not, one should never consent to a warrantless search. The key here is never consent. Warning: Even if you are not home, the police can search your home based on the consent of your spouse, roommate or a guest. If a law enforcement officer insists on searching your home, do not resist the search. Just make it clear that you are not consenting to this search. Additionally, do not sign any consent form or for that matter any document without the advice of your attorney. Law enforcement officers cannot get a warrant simply based on your refusal, nor can they punish you for not giving consent to search.

    If a search is done in violation of your Fourth Amendment rights, the court will suppress the evidence obtained, and the State will not be able to use it against you in a criminal prosecution. When you consent to a search, anything found may be used as evidence — evidence against you — whether there was probable cause or not! Although you may feel that you have nothing to hide, consider that you may inadvertently possess contraband which you believe to be legal, or that a friend may have left contraband in your car, house, or borrowed clothing.

    Police Investigations

    There is much more of a chance that the police will investigate based on information gleaned from the computerized database of registered gun owners and their registered handguns. It is a relatively simple task for state or local police to look at their database of registered gun owners with their registered handguns and start knocking on doors to talk to suspected possessors of handguns with standard issue Murphy Mags (such as Glock 19, SIG P226, Beretta 92, etc.). No warrant is necessary to investigate. Talking to suspected possessors at their homes will possibly lead to more information justifying a search, seizure, and arrest.

    What if the police want to talk to you?

    If police knock on your door, do not open the door, ask them through the closed door if they have a warrant. If they don’t have a warrant, do not allow them into your home. Do not answer any questions. Simply say “I do not want to talk to you” and do not talk to the police. The Fifth Amendment right to remain silent and against self-incrimination is one of the most important Constitutional rights. By remaining silent, a person is not assisting the State in its case against him or her. This is the purest form of self-protection. It is something everyone should do, whether the person believes him/herself innocent or not. You cannot be punished for a refusal to answer questions. Basically, only a court can order you to answer questions. Remember, anything you say can be used against you. For instance, merely affirming that you still have the registered handgun, could lead to being searched and arrested. Lying to the police is a crime, but remaining silent is not. So, stay silent!

    Not giving consent is not probable cause for a search. Some people feel that if they do not consent to the search, then the officer will think they are guilty of hiding something. Some people are afraid of the improper question: “What do you have to hide?” The proper question you should ask yourself is: “Why does this law enforcement officer feel it is necessary to invade my privacy and conduct a search without a warrant?” This mindset properly shifts the burden to the police. Remember, the Fourth Amendment is there to protect our privacy.

    Always remain polite when asserting your rights, but the key is to assert them. Do not be embarrassed or intimidated into giving up your rights. If you give up your rights (apart from making defending you that much harder), you will have substantially increased your chance of becoming another victim of New Jersey gun law.

    Intimidation Letters

    Law Enforcement agencies might choose to send intimidating letters demanding information based on the computerized database of registered gun owners and their registered handguns. The letters would go to suspected possessors of handguns with standard issue Murphy Mags. It is a simple matter today to send letters via a database. This type of intimidation letter is often used to collect taxes. Any information gleaned could then be followed up with further enforcement actions.

    What if you receive an intimidation letter?

    Generally, you have no obligation to respond to questions in a such letter. Contact an attorney as soon as possible for specific advice regarding such a letter.

    Random Prosecutions

    There is no doubt that enforcement will occur by way of random prosecutions. Police will find Murphy Mags due to Red Flag Laws, Domestic Violence Laws, Duty to Warn Laws, safekeeping seizures, house fires, home inspections and the endless other ways that contraband items find their way to the authorities. You can be sure to see criminal charges on these Murphy Mags. This is the default setting for minimum enforcement.

    What if you are the subject of a random prosecution?

    If you are charged with Murphy Mag possession or any other criminal offense, contact an attorney as soon as possible for specific advice and representation.

    Action Items:

    Make sure that your friends and family are aware of this potential threat.
    Make sure that your friends and family are aware of the implications of talking with the police and consenting to searches.
    Make sure that you do not have in your possession any Murphy Mags or other prohibited items.
    Make sure that you, your family and your friends have the mindset to stand on your rights
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    Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol ClubsAbout ANJRPC:

    The Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs is the official New Jersey affiliate of the NRA and is New Jersey’s oldest, largest, and most effective Second Amendment advocacy organization. www.anjrpc.org

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    Come and take them.
    "Take the guns first, then worry about due process" Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoder View Post
    Come and take them.
    You can count on that. The left will not remain content to jam all these unConsitutional laws through and then sit back only to see them go unenforced. The heat will be on Murphy, Cuomo and all the leftist Governors to begin arrests, confiscations and, when marginally justifiable, shootings of gun owners.

    BTW, former NYC Police Commissioner Kerik is complaining about how off-duty NJ police officers have to abide by the illegal mag provisions when off duty. He says they are at risk. Kerik is a tool. He does not say that all citizens are at risk, only police officers!

    The law is bad, but if it is going to be there, then the police ought to have to abide by it too. Maybe then the Police Unions will stop so freely lending their political and monetary support of leftist Democrats.
    Last edited by Wilderness 1864; December 16th, 2018 at 11:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilderness 1864 View Post
    You can count on that. The left will not remain content to jam all these unConsitutional laws through and then sit back only to see them go unenforced. The heat will be on Murphy, Cuomo and all the leftist Governors to begin arrests, confiscations and, when marginally justifiable, shootings of gun owners.

    BTW, former NYC Police Commissioner Kerik is complaining about how off-duty NJ police officers have to abide by the illegal mag provisions when off duty. He says they are at risk. Kerik is a tool. He does not say that all citizens are at risk, only police officers!

    The law is bad, but if it is going to be there, then the police ought to have to abide by it too. Maybe then the Police Unions will stop so freely lending their political and monetary support of leftist Democrats.
    Sadly, THIS ^^^^^^

    Since we do nothing but comply, they now have their blueprint so expect it to be fully implemented to the rest of us.

    Kobsw

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    Quote Originally Posted by kobsw View Post
    Sadly, THIS ^^^^^^

    Since we do nothing but comply, they now have their blueprint so expect it to be fully implemented to the rest of us.

    Kobsw
    I also expect a vigorous program of stops and searches of out-of-State vehicles traveling through NJ. The Democrats hated how Christie would pardon innocent citizens caught in NJ's tyrannical snares. They would love to punish some out of State people just to prove a point and make them suffer.

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    Glock? I thought you said , "cock".
    If it ain't broke it ain't mine.

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    I am sure searches could happen, but I agree that most, if not all discoveries will occur secondary to other law enforcement procedures. The Breitbart article assumed that because the njsp would not directly answer the question about searches that it was then assumed that such would occur.

    Regardless, be smart and be careful.

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    I don't think there's anything to worry about, we've been told here on the forum many times that police won't follow an unconstitutional law that involves seizure of private property without due process.
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Unless it involves an Amish dude in a buggy...

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    ANJRPC ASKS FULL THIRD CIRCUIT

    TO OVERRULE 3-JUDGE PANEL

    IN NJ MAGAZINE BAN CASE










    Legal Challenge of NJ Mag Ban Continues










    December 19, 2018. ANJRPC attorneys today filed a legal petition asking the full Third Circuit to review the December 5, 2018 decision of a 3-judge panel of the Third Circuit upholding NJ's ban on magazines holding between 11-15 rounds of ammunition. The petition seeks "rehearing en banc," a process by which every judge on the Third Circuit reviews the prior ruling by the 3-judge panel.



    See a copy of ANJRPC's petition for rehearing en banc here.



    If the full Third Circuit grants rehearing en banc, it will issue an order providing particulars of how the rehearing will proceed, which could include additional briefing and oral argument before the court. If the court declines en banc review, ANJRPC is prepared to eventually seek review from the U.S. Supreme Court.



    ANJRPC thanks NRA-ILA for its incredible support and guidance in the mag ban case. The case will be pursued until all appeal options are exhausted.

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