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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    Court of Appeals Upholds New Jersey Law Banning 15-Round Mags
    by MAX SLOWIK on DECEMBER 6, 2018 GUNS AMERICA
    Related Tags: Buzz, EDC, Gun Control, News, R2KBA

    A federal appeals court upheld New Jersey’s magazine-capacity-limit laws, arguing 2-1 that three 10-round magazines are just as good as two 15-rounders. They said that a magazine-capacity limit does not present a burden to self-defense.


    New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal favored the decision to limit gun owners to 10-round magazines. (Photo: Grewal)

    Previously New Jersey residents had a magazine-capacity limit of 15 rounds, due to a law passed in 1990. The new law restricts gun owners to 10 rounds and they must modify, destroy or register any magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.

    The law makes an exemption for active-duty members of the military and police and retired law enforcement officers, who can own and carry handguns with 15-round magazines.

    “New Jersey’s law reasonably fits the State’s interest in public safety and does not unconstitutionally burden the Second Amendment’s right to self-defense in the home,” said the court.

    “The law also does not violate the Fifth Amendment’s Takings Clause because it does not require gun owners to surrender their magazines but instead allows them to retain modified magazines or register firearms that have magazines that cannot be modified,” it added.

    “Finally, because retired law enforcement officers have training and experience that makes them different from ordinary citizens, the law’s exemption that permits them to possess magazines that can hold more than ten rounds does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause,” the court argued.

    See Also: New Jersey Governor Proposes $400 Carry Permits, $100 Firearm ID Cards, $50 Handgun Purchase Permits
    Pro-gunners were not pleased with the ruling, naturally.

    “This decision is plainly wrong and upholds New Jersey’s unconstitutional law turning one million honest citizens into felons for keeping property obtained legally that could be used for defending their lives,” said New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs’ executive director Scott Bach. “The decision will be further appealed.”

    “Third Circuit with a terrible ruling,” said legal expert Adam Kraut. “I suspect there will be a request to have this reheard en banc.”

    New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal celebrated the decision with a tweet. “For months, individuals have been challenging NJ’s limits on large capacity magazines—a sensible law to address mass shootings,” said Grewal. “Today, the court of appeals upheld the law. Big win for public safety and law enforcement safety.”
    Last edited by Bang; December 7th, 2018 at 02:04 PM.

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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    The court: ....three 10-round magazines are just as good as two 15-rounders.

    Grewal:.....a sensible law to address mass shootings.

    Duhhh....you can't make this shit up! JFC May as well say three 10-rounders are just as bad.
    Last edited by Bang; December 7th, 2018 at 02:31 PM.

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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    The court: ....three 10-round magazines are just as good as two 15-rounders.

    Grewal:.....a sensible law to address mass shootings.

    Duhhh....you can't make this shit up! JFC
    To be fair, forcing a mass shooter to reload is a valid window to attack them with, IDK what cause its NJ, but attack none the less. But back in reality, IDK why a mass shooter would care about getting 10rd mags before commuting multiple levels of felonies.

    Do they have any data to show that that is a logical argument? Nope.

    The more annoying aspect is how they can see how a large cap mag is very good at doing what its purpose is in the hands of a criminal, but negate the gain of that in the hands of a law abiding citizen defending themselves in their house. Ya know, how the one cop they interviewed for the hearing indicated how much of an advantage the high cap mag gave him over criminals.
    Una Salus Victis Nullam Sperare Salutem

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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    I doubt a mass shooter would ever be able to get illegal, standard capacity mags.

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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    Next up: "Removing a 10 round magazine and replacing it with another in under 5 minutes shall be considered a felony."

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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Next up: "Removing a 10 round magazine and replacing it with another in under 5 minutes shall be considered a felony."
    Ha, that is child's play. No, next up since the precedent is set, is 1 round mag limit. I mean why not? If ten or less limits mass shootings, well, 1 or less would almost eliminate them. Right?
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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    If you read the dissenting opinion, the judge pretty much set up the frame work for mag bans and the like to be found unconstitutional based on Heller.

    If this gets to SCOTUS, the opinion should just be "unconstitutional" with his argument copied verbatim.

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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    LOL!

    Right after they win the fight to keep bump stocks from being banned.
    Put the blame where it belongs. The non member gun owners, the non voter gun owners. The uninformed electorate and useful idiots everywhere.
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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    Put the blame where it belongs. The non member gun owners, the non voter gun owners. The uninformed electorate and useful idiots everywhere.
    One more reason to not go to NJ. This law though may make me a felon if I try to travel through NJ to a state that allows them.

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    Default Re: NJ Mag Ban Upheld................Dec. 10th.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Court of Appeals Upholds New Jersey Law Banning 15-Round Mags
    by MAX SLOWIK on DECEMBER 6, 2018 GUNS AMERICA
    Related Tags: Buzz, EDC, Gun Control, News, R2KBA

    A federal appeals court upheld New Jersey’s magazine-capacity-limit laws, arguing 2-1 that three 10-round magazines are just as good as two 15-rounders. They said that a magazine-capacity limit does not present a burden to self-defense.


    New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal favored the decision to limit gun owners to 10-round magazines. (Photo: Grewal)

    Previously New Jersey residents had a magazine-capacity limit of 15 rounds, due to a law passed in 1990. The new law restricts gun owners to 10 rounds and they must modify, destroy or register any magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.

    The law makes an exemption for active-duty members of the military and police and retired law enforcement officers, who can own and carry handguns with 15-round magazines.

    “New Jersey’s law reasonably fits the State’s interest in public safety and does not unconstitutionally burden the Second Amendment’s right to self-defense in the home,” said the court.

    “The law also does not violate the Fifth Amendment’s Takings Clause because it does not require gun owners to surrender their magazines but instead allows them to retain modified magazines or register firearms that have magazines that cannot be modified,” it added.

    “Finally, because retired law enforcement officers have training and experience that makes them different from ordinary citizens, the law’s exemption that permits them to possess magazines that can hold more than ten rounds does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause,” the court argued.

    See Also: New Jersey Governor Proposes $400 Carry Permits, $100 Firearm ID Cards, $50 Handgun Purchase Permits
    Pro-gunners were not pleased with the ruling, naturally.

    “This decision is plainly wrong and upholds New Jersey’s unconstitutional law turning one million honest citizens into felons for keeping property obtained legally that could be used for defending their lives,” said New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs’ executive director Scott Bach. “The decision will be further appealed.”

    “Third Circuit with a terrible ruling,” said legal expert Adam Kraut. “I suspect there will be a request to have this reheard en banc.”

    New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal celebrated the decision with a tweet. “For months, individuals have been challenging NJ’s limits on large capacity magazines—a sensible law to address mass shootings,” said Grewal. “Today, the court of appeals upheld the law. Big win for public safety and law enforcement safety.”
    Bigger win for fascists.

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