***PITTSBURGH RIFLE OPEN CARRY*** UPDATED INFO IN OP***

[Justin///M]

Updated info below. Massive march on 1/7/18. Will be attended by Kaitlin Bennett.







Facebook event notice;

https://www.facebook.com/events/302236857083148/




POOFA Roll call thread.


http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=342509



UPDATES:

There will be guest speakers will a podium and microphone set up.

The Pittsburgh Police have been notified and are on board and being cooperative.

A permit has been obtained due to the potential to impede traffic (auto or foot).

Rally starts at noon at the Pittsburgh City-County building on 414 Grant Street.




If you have facebook, please try to follow the link above where the discussions are. Here's some info from the guy trying to bring it all together,

"Anyone showing up is ask to Meet outside Pittsburgh mayor Bill Pedutos office on grant street to stand together and protest his unconstitutional bill proposal that infringes on our 2nd amendment rights.

Everyone is asked to show up in front of the city county building. You may carry if you choose to. If you do please do it in a safe and responsible manner."




I know some don't like the wording of the flyer, but the guy is doing the best he can and appears amenable to feedback.




If there's other details you would like me to update, please ask, or reach out at the event thread on Facebook.





RL's channel for live streams.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO5...CT2RZgvOLCk7wQ



Lawyer.




https://jmurphyfirm.com/

[GeneCC]

Couple ways of looking at this one, Justin.

One is that you're going to represent. It's not a bad idea. Worked great for African Americans in the Jim Crow South. Else Parks kept her seat, got arrested. People got blasted with fire hoses. Bit by dogs. People had already integrated schools in the years before. Now people just wanted to use public services without having to deal with racist crap. Who can blame them? I sure don't.

What ended Jim Crow was disgust at the over reaction. People realized that this wasn't the right way to treat people.


Toting a gun is different. Most of us in the gun community ignore it. Most non shooters? Depends. You're going to get bad reaction from open carry. Especially a military looking rifle.


Open carry during a State of Emergency? Even a bogus State of Emergency. You're gonna get arrested. Fine, good. Just like Rosa Parks. While you're screaming about your rights people are watching TV. They're going to see the message that the Elites like Mike Bloomberg want us to see. You. Hollering. Holding a rifle.

You're not going to reach people in the right way. You're going to get on the News. You'll be labeled as a "kook", "out of touch", and be made fun off by Elitists. Expect it. I think that you'll encourage Peduto and his silly friends. They'll figure "This is the kind of lunatic fringe which owns these weapons of war, these killers of innocent people".

You're going to help Bill Peduto to get his foolish laws.

People who are our friends are going to back off fast.



Alcohol prohibition didn't end because people gathered on side walks drinking beer. Marijuana prohibition didn't end in a few States because of smoke ins.

Quiet public pressure is what worked. Quiet public pressure is why we're not paying $200.00 to get an occupation tax stamp for a break open shotgun. Letters. Phone calls. Quiet visits. Courteousness. Making people see the light, or if they need it, feel the heat.

We have to appear as sober and realistic people. The crime stats support this view. If "assault weapons" were so lethal there would be millions of killings, not hundreds of killings. We're not a problem. People who use guns for crime, to settle drug debts, to enforce sales turf, followed by robbery and then domestic violence are the problem. Bill won't go after them, we're an easy target. So he thinks.

In this specific case? Don't open carry. On the balance it's not going to help us. If you want to help Bill Peduto? Why are you here?

[GeneCC]

Reader's Digest Version

Open carrying "assault weapons" on Pittsburgh streets is a gift to Bill Peduto. He'll point to the carriers of these firearms as "kooks". "Look at these kooks, trying to scare us. We need to show these kooks that our people power is strong. We need to prevail over these kooks!".

Such help we do not need.

Quiet protests and preparation to smash Bill's mischief in Court is what will work. Getting our lawyers together. Getting the legal defense fund together. Reaching out to friends of Bill, never to threaten but to reason and persuade. "This isn't the right thing to do". "Why is he doing this to people who are not breaking any laws?" "Why will gun control work when Alcohol prohibition and marijuana laws don't work?"


Bill is seeking a consensus. We need to snatch away his consensus. We need to remind him that he's not on the side of goodness and light. He's wrong. He and his friends are the ones who are on the outs. They are the ones who are against the tide of history. Gun control is not popular. If gun control were popular we would not own much of anything, like people in Great Britain. That's not true, because most people don't care. People mind their own business.

Bill needs to mind his own business. His business is the City of Pittsburgh. His business is not changing gun laws. We need to convince him that he's wrong. Through quiet persuasion and by halting him in Court.

[R L Suehr]

1. Since I know Justin has a LTCF he's perfectly legal to open carry anything, even during the soe.

2. If it's a big enough rally, it could have an effect. Open carry or not a showing isn't necessarily a bad thing. The gun banners have no problems parading around in protest, we can do the same. One guy is meaningless, 10 guys could be kooks, if he could get 100 that's a statement.

3. Hiding in the shadows isn't doing us any good. There's a time and place for this kind of thing, I don't see this as a bad time or place.

I wish I could join you, but I have to work this time of year. I can't afford to take the time off right now. I'll try and help you get the word out if you can rally some people for this.

[Justin///M]

I don't care about looking like a kook. I will stand there, like a kook, holding my sign and rifle by myself if I have to.

This happens with everything we want to do. "Oh we can do this, we can't do that, we will look like this, or that, you can't wear this, you should wear that."

Tired of it. I'm ready to be a kook.

This is about civil disobedience in the face of a tyrant.

And costing the taxpayers of Pittsburgh a lot of money if need be.


I appreciate the input Gene, I really do, but I'm not going to not do this because some think I might "hurt the cause."

There is no cause.


And it may not be this Friday. I think the day it's enacted will be better. I WANT to be in violation of their law.

[scruff]

I know you want to do it right away, but the perfect day for a Pittsburgh OC event would be on Patriot's Day, which will be April 15, 2019. It would be a little less kook-ish if it was partly a historical celebration.

[GeneCC]

I don't care about looking like a kook. I will stand there, like a kook, holding my sign and rifle by myself if I have to.

This happens with everything we want to do. "Oh we can do this, we can't do that, we will look like this, or that, you can't wear this, you should wear that."

Tired of it. I'm ready to be a kook.

This is about civil disobedience in the face of a tyrant.

You're too early. There is no law. There may never be any law.


I'm not concerned about how you look. That's your business.

I'm concerned about how WE look.

Civil disobedience is what you do after you have exhausted other measures. You have to make an effort to be reasonable.


Did you ever read the history of the United States? Ever read the Declaration of Independence?

The Founders of the United States understood that one must be reasonable before resorting to the appearance of hostility. Why don't you see it, Justin?

"Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

"He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

"He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

"He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

"He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

"He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness of his invasions on the rights of the people.

"He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

"He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

"He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

"He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

"He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

"He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

"For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

"For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

"For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

"For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

"For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

"For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

"For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

"For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

"For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

"He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

"He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

"He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

There is no cause.

That's not fair, it's not true. A lot of us bust our humps each day against "gun control". We do so in a low key and respectful way. We influence people. We take people to ranges.

We encourage people to see firearms as a useful tool, one to be used to safely.


What do you expect? Did you think that we would have an easy time, forever?

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

[GeneCC]

I appreciate the input Gene, I really do, but I'm not going to not do this because some think I might "hurt the cause."

There is no cause.

I've tried to counsel an effective method, one that worked with alcohol and marijuana prohibition. Hopefully you all don't give the rest of us too much extra work.


I'm not laying down for this shit. I'm not going to harm anyone. I will harm their plans if I can do so. My goal is to make 'em back off in an effective an non confrontational way. Using soft power and money.

[JenniferG]

Full dress battle gear and be ready to go. No empty mags. Could be the shot heard round the world again. Show those pussified cuck men what you're ready to do to protect your firearm rights.

[streaker69]

Dibs on your tractor!