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    Default Re: ***PITTSBURGH RIFLE OPEN CARRY*** UPDATED INFO IN OP***

    Quote Originally Posted by kobsw View Post
    ^^^^^^!

    Be prepared, be alert and RECORD, RECORD the RECORD some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K.C. View Post
    Great.. I would like to get more info on the cyberspace post. The friend who is coming with me to the rally may pull out if there is going to be alot of trouble. He's trying to Join the Marines He signed some agreement with them to stay out of trouble hence he is now representing them. If this is to become an antifa bullshit battle I would have to inform him.
    The info I passed on is in its entirety from where I got it from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogey1 View Post
    Since we are still in a SOE are the cops going to check each and every carrier?
    As for prince's letter, I can guarantee there will be plants there just to start trouble.
    My question is, will the cops go after them, unlike the cops in all other liberal cities,
    where they just let the douchebags do what they want.

    If they do go start shit with you guys, like yelling and screaming, dont make yourselves look,
    like fools and counter them with the same, just ignore them.

    Are quadcopters legal to fly at the event? If so, if someone has one, put it up and film the event.
    Checking carry permits, would be like running the names of the Antwon Rose protesters for warrants, it would appear as harassment, I doubt they would do it, it just wouldn't look good.

    If there are plants, or ANTIFA people who end up causing a ruckus, or attacking, I would think that the police would stand back and do nothing, just as in other cities, all major cities, especially on the coasts are run exclusively by Democrats and liberals, Pittsburgh in a long entrenched enclave, expect no help from the police.

    If anything, I would consider them to be potentially a hostile adversary if push comes to shove. Especially if you have to deal with "Biker" cops, they have had a bad reputation for decades, have their own patched groups, etc. Notorious for being tough guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frick View Post
    Just wanted to chime in with this, if Joshua Prince gives you advice, HEED IT. Trust me, there is no bigger supporter of the 2nd A as an attorney that I know of in the entire state of Pennsylvania.

    If anyone of you doubt for one second, that this guy is anything but 100 percent pro 2nd Amendment, you are very, very wrong.

    One thing I have learned from my dealings with a GOOD attorney, is that they have patience, which, is a virtue I sometimes lack, and, that patience means you step back, and analyze the situation before you go head first into something that may end up coming back to haunt you.

    I myself, won't be attending tomorrow, I am still getting over pneumonia, but, to all you who do, thank you and bless you for standing up for what is right, but bear in mind, Pittsburgh is a cesspool of corruption, the union for the Police is purely liberal, and Democratic, but that doesn't mean they won't bust your head for being a fucking wise guy, hopefully, the shear amount of cameras available will tame that, but, don't give them any reason to do so.

    Good luck folks, and thanks!
    I respect Prince, but what I want from him is solid info on what is legal, and what is NOT.

    I'm not interested in his opinion in regards to which lawful activity I choose to engage in, and which I don't.

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    Would it be a good idea to bring safety glasses and/or goggles just in case ANTIFA people decide to throw liquids or pepper spray ?
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    Also, one other thing to bear in mind, most of the "Opposition" in da Burgh, is going to eminate, or center around the "Thomas Merton Center" its a central location that has been the hub of far left for decades, Anarchists, and I would assume ANTIFA would probably use the place to plan and meet for planning what they are going to do in opposition to the protests.

    Probably a little late to try and infiltrate it for information LOL, but, it may be the starting point for any counter protests, they used to be in Garfield, along Penn Avenue, at least they were years ago, I doubt they have relocated.

    If anyone wanted to get a heads up on what's coming, it might be a location to observe for a heads up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    I respect Prince, but what I want from him is solid info on what is legal, and what is NOT.

    I'm not interested in his opinion in regards to which lawful activity I choose to engage in, and which I don't.
    I am not speaking for Josh, you can contact him on your own, that said, an attorneys job is to caution you, as, a good attorney isn't needed, if you don't have a reason to need HIM.

    He is correct however about the need to have a carry license, if you wish to bear an long arm during a state of emergency, I researched that long ago, before I ever heard of Josh.

    Do remember, that you ARE, all of you ARE spokespeople for the cause, I'd love to go down with my Barret M82 in a wheelbarrow, with one of my Krink SBRs on my back, but that exactly is what the liberal media is salivating for, so remember, the more radical you look the more likely you are to appear on the front page as "Bubba the OOC gun nut", or, on the cover of "Short penis daily" magazine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soberbyker View Post
    The info I passed on is in its entirety from where I got it from.

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    OK thanks, I'm going to inform my friend and see if he still wants to go or not. A peaceful protest is one thing but dickheads throwing shit and swinging sticks only ends up bad for both sides.
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    FOAC is dead to me.

    Stay out of our way Josh, and Kim. You've done nothing by try to undermine our efforts, and today, 24 hours from the event, you can't help but to blast our your old ways of thinking



    "Tomorrow, January 7th, at noon there will be a Rally in the City of Pittsburgh at the City/County building by gunowners to openly decry the proposed clearly illegal efforts to enact local gun control. Normally, I would be overjoyed at seeing Pennsylvania gunowners stand up and be outspoken in their opposition to gun control and violations of rights but I have deep reservations about this particular Rally.

    First, it’s important to understand that the focus of this Rally is rooted in the firearms preemption issue and the accountability of local governments to the law, which the City of Pittsburgh is clearly flaunting! I believe that the organizers of this Rally have allowed the passions of a few gunowners over open carry to hijack the true mission and purpose of this Rally in demonstrating public opposition to what Mayor Peduto and city Council are doing. I want to be perfectly clear that the mission of this Rally should be laser focused on Title 18 section 6120, preemption of firearms laws reserved to the state and not open carry.

    All too often, in my experience, well-intentioned but politically naïve gunowners have allowed politicians and officials to take advantage of those passions about the Constitution. In my opinion and of other long-time activists, this is occurring right now and we are in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

    The City of Pittsburgh knows that what they’re doing is illegal and constitute criminal violations of the law. That is the message that must be delivered to the people in the center of the political debate! This is about accountability of our elected officials and the failure of our justice system to hold government accountable. Perhaps more importantly, it is about our Constitution and the inviolate rights, therein mentioned! So, I would like all of you to ask yourselves, how does the open carry of rifles and shotguns contribute to convincing the average Joe citizen that what the City of Pittsburgh is doing is unlawful and how can it be used against us?

    I also want to be clear that I’ve gone on open carry walks with gunowners when that was the purpose of the walk to dispel the myth of the danger of firearms ownership but this is not about the dangers of firearms ownership – this is about the authority, or lack thereof, of what the City of Pittsburgh is doing and the agenda of anti-gun groups to push local control of gun laws. What is happening now behind-the-scenes and in the bowels of the media is an attempt to brand these actions as attempts to intimidate city government and will be portrayed, and in fact already has been, as a bunch of right-wing kooks who should be looked down upon! In point of fact, one news article has already attempted to draw connections between us and the KKK!

    There is an old saying about gun owners and that trying to work with them is like trying to herd cats! This is exactly what is happening over this Rally. Not only that but most of the people involved in this Rally have contributed little if anything to fighting for rights in this state. Pumping up one’s chest on a blog or on social media is easy to hide behind bluster and ignorant responses and using pseudonyms only heightens that problem. When trying to explain to these individuals about the problems that may arise at this Rally if the focus does not stay on preemption, the responses have fallen into the category of ignorance, rudeness and a lack of respect and quite frankly, I’m fed up! Take a look at this link and the accusatory tone and see what you think:

    I’m happy to talk to any gun owner, who has an open mind and wants to listen, about the multi-dimensions that it takes to understand how to defend the right to bear arms. In my involvement over the last 35 years, I have seen a number of individuals who get involved, try to take over, make a huge number of mistakes, and then leave that mess for others to clean up! Unfortunately, I don’t think many of these individuals involved in the Rally understand that the consequences of mistakes tomorrow can have a dramatic effect on the long-term impact on not only the City of Pittsburgh legal action but also potential legislative changes that it may be impossible to recover from.

    WHAT CAN GO WRONG?

    There are Pennsylvania laws regulating the ‘lawful’ transportation and carrying of firearms that must be observed. For instance, many of those in the Rally seem to discount the impact of the emergency declaration by the governor over opioids.

    https://blog.princelaw.com/2018/04/0...-of-emergency/
    https://blog.princelaw.com/2018/01/1...-of-emergency/
    The fact is, as you can see above, that 18 Pa.C.S. § 6107(a) specifically limits the open carrying of all firearms, inclusive of rifles and shotguns, “upon the public streets or upon any public property during an emergency” in the absence of a license to carry firearms. This means that the lawful carrying or display of rifles and shotguns is limited to your own private property, unless you have a license to carry firearms. When we have tried to point this out, many, without even reading the law, have rejected what the law, unfortunately, explicitly states. While we question the constitutionality of such a provision, given the current political/judicial climate, this is a very dangerous attitude because a violation of this section of law is a misdemeanor of the first degree, which means you would lose your right to keep and bear arms for the rest of your life, if successfully prosecuted. Is it not irresponsible to ignore the potential dangers of being arrested at a Rally openly carrying a rifle or shotgun? Remember, the law does NOT draw a distinction between the firearm being loaded or not.

    Many citizens, even non-gun owners, accept the fact that Pennsylvania citizens can carry a handgun openly or concealed and this political fight involves convincing the citizens in the center of the debate that we are constitutionally and legally correct and acting in a reasonable fashion. Yet, the comments on social media demonstrate that some of those at the Rally feel comfortable with a confrontational attitude that will be made to appear provocative and unreasonable by the media. I can understand that many citizens who own firearms are sick and tired of the demagoguery going on in the public domain regarding the right to bear arms and gun control – I get it! But now is not the time to engage in behavior that will be viewed by many as irresponsible!

    Let’s hypothesize for a moment. Even if the emergency declaration did not exist, 18 Pa.C.S. § 6106 does not allow a citizen to carry a rifle or shotgun loaded in one’s vehicle. So what that means is that we’re going to have gun owners (ostensibly abiding by the law) transporting a rifle or shotgun down to the City of Pittsburgh and then once they’ve parked their vehicle and are getting out, loading and chambering a live round of ammunition in a public place. What can go wrong here? So in the light of this hypothetical, let’s consider the AR 15, which has a floating firing pin. And the gun owner is chambering commercial ammunition and not military ammunition, which has a harder, more resistant primer. I have seen cases of accidental discharge with an AR 15 when using commercial 223 ammunition. How do you think the media is going to treat an accidental discharge in a public parking space, even if no one is hurt? Yet on social media and in certain blogs, I’ve been vilified for stating that gunowners should keep an empty chamber and a flag in a chamber as a way of identifying that the firearm is safe and unloaded. Who is acting irresponsibly here? Remember all gun owners are trusting the Rally organizers and their fellow gun owners at the Rally to act in a manner that will not jeopardize the rights of all!

    The below links are some of the interviews that I have done in the last few days and I want you to pay particular attention to the KDKA report that shows contrasting video of a Ku Klux Klan rally juxtaposed against the planned gun owner Rally for tomorrow.

    https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-storie...-law/899245688
    https://www.nratv.com/videos/relentl...sburgh-gun-ban
    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019...-no-guns-sign/
    https://kdkaradio.radio.com/articles...ly-controversy
    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019...-preparations/
    Even more disconcerting, beyond the fact that I have become aware that the media has already prepared draft articles about the Rally, which denigrate gun owners and attempt to distract from the real issue, I have been informed that provocateurs are being brought in to the Rally for the sole purpose of trying to provoke gun owners to react in an irresponsible manner and that both the media and police are already investigating social media posts of gun owners, in which those posters are allegedly provoking the police and making threats.

    As you can see, the bias in local media is clear and they intend to demonize gunowners and distract from the fact that the City of Pittsburgh is violating Pennsylvania law. So perhaps now it becomes a little more clear why I’m concerned about the statements of certain gunowners on social media as well as what impact improper handling of firearms can have in changing the terms of the debate and causing us to potentially lose our preemption statute with a bad court decision that is biased because of their actions!

    I have done everything in my power to try and explain to these Rally attendees the importance of acting and appearing professional and being very careful with the handling and transportation of their firearms, as well as, the dangers of violating Pennsylvania law. I am crossing my fingers and hoping that this Rally comes off without an incident of any kind.

    Yours in Freedom!

    Kim Stolfer, President"
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    Well there's $30 I can better spend elsewhere

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