Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car

[flejl]

I am not sure if this is the correct place or not.

First thing, I do have a valid PA LTCF.

Unfortunatley, I have the need to travel into Philly to take my wife for medical care not available locally. Having had the bad fortune of her discharge from the hospital coming shortly after a scheduled shutdown of the PA Turnpike for over night construction, we were foreced to travel through North Philly around 1AM in the morning, let me just say that was "a bit concerning" since due ot medical reasons my wife's mobility was very limited.

So, with all of that said and since my wife continues to require medical care that will bring us back to Philly frequently, I have updaged my carry pistol to a larger caliber and also purchased a Mossberg Shockwave, as the sites of the late night trip made a profound impression.

My understanding is since I have a valid LTCF, I am able to carry a loaded firearm (hand gun or other) within my vehicle, and if needed, I am able to walk the city streets... not that I plan to... My concern is if we again are forced to travel at night through North Philly, my vehicle becomes or something worse occurs (use you imagination after watching the Philly news) and I need to move my wife to a safe place while possibly pushing her in a wheel chair.

I appreciate any suggestions and please remember my purpose is to keep my wife safe and avoid problems, legal or otherwise.

Thank You

[gnbrotz]

You are correct. A valid LTCF allows you to legally possess and carry both a loaded handgun and a loaded shockwave in your vehicle, as well as openly or concealed on your person if you wish.

[internet troll]

You are correct. A valid LTCF allows you to legally possess and carry both a loaded handgun and a loaded shockwave in your vehicle, as well as openly or concealed on your person if you wish.

Honest question here, is a shockwave not considered a long gun?

[gnbrotz]

Honest question here, is a shockwave not considered a long gun?

No.

When they were first released there was serious consideration that they could be Prohibited Offensive Weapons that wouldn't be legal to own.

However, the PSP has pretty much put their blessing on them and determined them to be "firearms", which is classified the same as a handgun. ..requiring a PSP Record of Sale. Which also means your LTCF allows you to carry them concealed or in a vehicle.

Pretty much all of the gun shops around here sell them, or have them listed on their websites, or will order you one if you want it.

[internet troll]

No. Standby while I pull other posts and info to support that.

Thank you for the info, I was not aware of that.

[Delkal]

I suspect if you get stopped at 1 AM in Philadelphia with a shokwave a judge will be answering your question. Not that night, but when you go to court.

It should be legal and you should not be hassled..........but this is what I suspect will happen.

Good luck.

[markshere2]

Couple of extra mags for your primary carry gun should be step 1.

If
IF
IF.... the shockwave is a pistol ( I don't know)........
You will be OK legally... eventually.

I cannot imagine any beat cop knowing the item in question is legal, because for years and years the only way to create something like that is to cut down a shotgun. And it is still illegal to reduce the barrel length to less than 18", as far as I know.
So you are gonna face lots of legal buffoonery if the tool gets used, or Officer Friendly spots it and gets all proactive on you.

How much time / $ do you want to spend dealing with it?

Consider...
You are driving a weapon. It's expensive, but it's a weapon.

AR15 pistols are a thing and they ARE pistols. Lots of badass firepower there.

[Gunsnwater]

Couple of extra mags for your primary carry gun should be step 1.

If
IF
IF.... the shockwave is a pistol ( I don't know)........
You will be OK legally... eventually.

I cannot imagine any beat cop knowing the item in question is legal, because for years and years the only way to create something like that is to cut down a shotgun. And it is still illegal to reduce the barrel length to less than 18", as far as I know.
So you are gonna face lots of legal buffoonery if the tool gets used, or Officer Friendly spots it and gets all proactive on you.

How much time / $ do you want to spend dealing with it?

Consider...
You are driving a weapon. It's expensive, but it's a weapon.

AR15 pistols are a thing and they ARE pistols. Lots of badass firepower there.

Not a pistol. No license to carry pistols anyway. It’s a firearm.

[Berncly]

I am not sure if this is the correct place or not.

First thing, I do have a valid PA LTCF.

Unfortunatley, I have the need to travel into Philly to take my wife for medical care not available locally. Having had the bad fortune of her discharge from the hospital coming shortly after a scheduled shutdown of the PA Turnpike for over night construction, we were foreced to travel through North Philly around 1AM in the morning, let me just say that was "a bit concerning" since due ot medical reasons my wife's mobility was very limited.

So, with all of that said and since my wife continues to require medical care that will bring us back to Philly frequently, I have updaged my carry pistol to a larger caliber and also purchased a Mossberg Shockwave, as the sites of the late night trip made a profound impression.

My understanding is since I have a valid LTCF, I am able to carry a loaded firearm (hand gun or other) within my vehicle, and if needed, I am able to walk the city streets... not that I plan to... My concern is if we again are forced to travel at night through North Philly, my vehicle becomes or something worse occurs (use you imagination after watching the Philly news) and I need to move my wife to a safe place while possibly pushing her in a wheel chair.

I appreciate any suggestions and please remember my purpose is to keep my wife safe and avoid problems, legal or otherwise.

Thank You

I'm with Carson on this one.
Your best move is to pick another driving route to your destination so you can avoid the bad parts of town as much as possible.
Being well armed is no guarantee of success if attacked, and you are unnecessarily risking your life and your wife's life.

So by all means carry what you wish, but please also be sensible and avoid the danger altogether when possible.
You are welcome to send a private message to me or Carson (or other Philly guys) if you would like better directions and don't want to post them in the open forum.

Best of luck to you.
Bern-

[icp4life162005]

I'm with Carson on this one.
Your best move is to pick another driving route to your destination so you can avoid the bad parts of town as much as possible.
Being well armed is no guarantee of success if attacked, and you are unnecessarily risking your life and your wife's life.

So by all means carry what you wish, but please also be sensible and avoid the danger altogether when possible.
You are welcome to send a private message to me or Carson (or other Philly guys) if you would like better directions and don't want to post them in the open forum.

Best of luck to you.
Bern-

This.
An extra 10-15 minutes is always worth the peace of mind.