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    Default Re: I'm recently 18 and newly a Gun Owner. What do I need to know?

    Quote Originally Posted by marinville View Post
    ^I just don't have it in me to research why that is misleading, but you do not need a ltcf to carry longuns in vehicles or on foot and infact ltcf has nothing to do with long guns whatsoever.
    I could be wrong but I do not see how a long gun is not considered a "firearm" under the definition below.



    § 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.

    (a) Offense defined.--

    (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

    (2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

    (b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

    (1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.

    (2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.

    (3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.

    (4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.

    (5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.

    (6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.

    (7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.

    (8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.

    (9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.

    (10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.

    (11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

    (12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.

    (13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.

    (14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).

    (15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:

    (i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.

    (ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.

    (16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).

    (c) Sportsman's firearm permit.--

    (1) Before any exception shall be granted under paragraph (b)(9) or (10) of this section to any person 18 years of age or older licensed to hunt, trap or fish or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, such person shall, at the time of securing his hunting, furtaking or fishing license or any time after such license has been issued, secure a sportsman's firearm permit from the county treasurer. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any legal firearm, when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license or permit relating to hunting dogs. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be in triplicate on a form to be furnished by the Pennsylvania State Police. The original permit shall be delivered to the person, and the first copy thereof, within seven days, shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police by the county treasurer. The second copy shall be retained by the county treasurer for a period of two years from the date of expiration. The county treasurer shall be entitled to collect a fee of not more than $6 for each such permit issued, which shall include the cost of any official form. The Pennsylvania State Police may recover from the county treasurer the cost of any such form, but may not charge more than $1 for each official permit form furnished to the county treasurer.

    (2) Any person who sells or attempts to sell a sportsman's firearm permit for a fee in excess of that amount fixed under this subsection commits a summary offense.

    (d) Revocation of registration.--Any registration of a firearm under subsection (c) of this section may be revoked by the county treasurer who issued it, upon written notice to the holder thereof.

    (e) Definitions.--

    (1) For purposes of subsection (b)(3), (4), (5), (7) and (8), the term "firearm" shall include any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of the weapon.

    (2) As used in this section, the phrase "place of instruction" shall include any hunting club, rifle club, rifle range, pistol range, shooting range, the premises of a licensed firearms dealer or a lawful gun show or meet.

    (Oct. 12, 1973, P.L.283, No.81, eff. June 6, 1973; July 8, 1986, P.L.442, No.93, eff. July 1, 1987; Dec. 19, 1988, P.L.1275, No.158, eff. 180 days; Nov. 22, 1995, P.L.621, No.66, eff. imd.; Apr. 22, 1997, P.L.73, No.5, eff. 60 days; Dec. 20, 2000, P.L.728, No.101, eff. 60 days; Nov. 10, 2005, P.L.335, No.66, eff. 180 days; Oct. 17, 2008, P.L.1628, No.131, eff. 60 days)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remington788 View Post
    because he has no LTCF.

    Are there exceptions to carrying a firearm without a Pennsylvania License to Carry?

    A License to Carry Firearms is issued to carry a firearm concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle within this Commonwealth. Any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person except in his place of abode or fixed place of business without a valid and lawfully issued license commits a felony of the third degree.

    A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

    Listed below are exceptions as outlined in 18 Pa.C.S. § 6106. (2) (b) Exceptions:
    1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
    2) Members of the army, navy or marine corps of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
    3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
    4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with rifle, pistol, or revolver, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
    5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
    6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties. (Individuals carrying a firearm as an incidence of their employment are required to be certified through the Lethal Weapons Training Act requirements set forth in 22 P.S. § 44(b).
    7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
    8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms, or back to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer’s place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
    9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
    10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.

    11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
    12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
    13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
    14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
    15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
    (i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
    (ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.

    (Note that before an exception would be granted under numbers 9 and 10, the person must obtain a valid Sportsman’s Firearm Permit from the county treasurer.)
    For that section the term "Firearm" means :

    "Firearm." Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches. The barrel length of a firearm shall be determined by measuring from the muzzle of the barrel to the face of the closed action, bolt or cylinder, whichever is applicable.

    Therefore a long gun does not apply.

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    Default Re: I'm recently 18 and newly a Gun Owner. What do I need to know?

    Quote Originally Posted by eagleclaw View Post
    For that section the term "Firearm" means :

    "Firearm." Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches. The barrel length of a firearm shall be determined by measuring from the muzzle of the barrel to the face of the closed action, bolt or cylinder, whichever is applicable.

    Therefore a long gun does not apply.
    the term FIREARM has different meanings in the context of different laws. I failed to include the definition in my first post.

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    Default Re: I'm recently 18 and newly a Gun Owner. What do I need to know?

    Quick, get that rifle to me. I will take it off your hands before you get in any more trouble.

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    Default Re: I'm recently 18 and newly a Gun Owner. What do I need to know?

    Gun laws have been crazy for a long time. When I turned 18 (living with my folks in Philly) it was legal to possess a handgun. Dad bought me a Ruger Mark I (.22LR semi-auto target pistol) in 1955. Philadelphia's District Attorney issued a command (for better word) that transporting a handgun must be done unloaded, and in a container such as a paper bag, and placed upon the seat to the right if driving.

    More intelligent people pointed out the obvious to the DA...that being, that he was giving very bad advice instructing people to break the law by having the gun concealed if the person had no pistol permit. The DA issued new instructions, requiring the pistol to be on the seat in plain view.

    In those days, bus windows could be raised in hot weather as there were few air conditioned vehicles yet. Stopped at a light beside a bus, a woman spotted my gun and excitedly announced "he has a gun!", pointing at me.

    On an up side, when in the Army at Fort Gordon, Georgia, I had my dad mail my gun down to me so I could enjoy it. When I got transferred to Colorado, I mailed it home. This is how things were when the USA was still the USA.

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    Default Re: I'm recently 18 and newly a Gun Owner. What do I need to know?

    Like others have said here, it's safety, safety, safety! Hope you have many years of happy shooting.
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    Default Re: I'm recently 18 and newly a Gun Owner. What do I need to know?

    Welcome to the site EPII. I am the only nice person on here. Now you know...

    Enjoy your new firearm and be safe at all times as others have mentioned.

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    Congratulations Epii and welcome! A few tips in rough order of importance.

    1. Safety is top priority. Learn safe gun handling and be diligent about following the 4 rules of gun safety! They're redundant and that's the point. It's worth it.

    2. Learn how to understand our often nonsensical and illogical (and unconstitutional) gun laws so that you are able to stay out of trouble and can enjoy your newly-minted freedoms for many, many years ahead.

    3. Read and ask questions. Become well informed, then use your voice and your vote to help preserve our freedoms by advocating for pro-gun bills and candidates and voting for pro-gun candidates in every election.

    4. Join and support pro-gun organizations: Gun Owners of America (GOA), Firearm Owners Against Crime (FOAC), and the National Rifle Association (NRA). They need our support and our numbers.

    5. Get training. I recommend Project Appleseed shoots as a good way to get inexpensive training with your firearm. Your 10/22 is perfect for this event. It's a lot of fun and gives you a good foundation in basic marksmanship and the history and the true purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

    6. Shoot often and have fun! There's a vast world of firearms disciplines, history, and culture out there. Try it all!



    7. (Bonus) Introduce others to the sport. Shooting is a great activity to share with friends and family.

    Every generation must take up the banner of the 2nd Amendment to preserve our freedom. We welcome you to the cause!
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    Default Re: I'm recently 18 and newly a Gun Owner. What do I need to know?

    Lots of good advice here already, stock up on ammo NOW(CCI Mini-Mags), it may never be this cheap again and buy several of the Ruger BX25 magazines NOW also.

    Congrats, be safe, have fun, become proficient, protect your rights and share your passion!

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    Default Re: I'm recently 18 and newly a Gun Owner. What do I need to know?

    Wow. Lot for a brand new up owner all of 18.

    Best advice is to check out some ranges offering a beginners class. You’ll get lots of answers and you won’t be feeling ignorant or afraid to ask.

    1022 is a great choice.
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