Why I don't travel to MD - for non-gunners

[ray h]

Do you really believe that anyone who lives in a city "hates what America stands for"? If so, that is ridiculous.

Enough of them that those venues regularly and overwhelmingly go blue every election.

[ray h]

I will never understand why gun owners on this forum are so intimidated by not being able to carry. I've read countless posts about how guys who refuse to cross the state line into MD/NJ or take their family to Hershey Park if they cant carry. When did we turn into a bunch of snowflakes? As stated above, if you don't feel safe without a firearm on your hip then perhaps you should not leave your house.

I can understand "putting your money where your mouth is", but when we start boycotting whole states, I think we have crossed the line.

**Full disclosure, I live in Maryland**

I will attempt to explain, even though you admit you will never understand.
It's like wearing a seatbelt, people who never do it don't miss it (and are usually somewhat uncomfortable wearing one). Once you get used to wearing a seatbelt you feel more comfortable with one on and actually feel uncomfortable without it. Carrying is the same, when you do it every day you become uncomfortable without it. I don't mean physical discomfort, I mean a "feeling" on discomfort, not necessarily a fear but just a feeling that "the one time I don't have it will be the one time I need it".

[sota]

I carry a M2A1 can in the trunk, stuffed with trauma-kit-for-morons stuff. I also carry a "murse" with my "emergency" work laptop, various odds and ends, and a Patrol Officer Pocket Trauma Kit, even though i'm not a cop. Why? Because I've seen enough incidences on the news and in real life where I've concluded, having it would have been better than not.

[alpacaheat]

Do you really believe that anyone who lives in a city "hates what America stands for"? If so, that is ridiculous.

I was specifically referring to the Constitution and 2A...and yes, urban Dems are trying to destroy it.

Enough of them that those venues regularly and overwhelmingly go blue every election.

Ray gets what I am saying.

[Wilderness 1864]

I like the letter, but suggest that you not send it as it will not persuade her, seem farfetched no matter what, and will only aggravate the situation.

I have had similar issues. I do not like going through or visiting Constitutional Infringement States like Maryland. I do not like spending money there so they can use my sales tax dollars to pass and enforce laws that violate my Constitutional rights and will not spend money in those States, unless necessary. I have relatives in NY/NJ. It really bothers me to have to disarm to go into those Infringement States. At least in NY, I can bring a long gun. In NJ, I am completely disarmed. For 4 years I had a child in college in Baltimore. So I dealt with it then.

Still, I visit and stay in NY/NJ but not as much as I would if I could exercise freely my Second Amendment rights. For now, there are some compromises and it just makes sense to make them. So I do. Even now, on trips down south where I have to go I-81, I stop in PA before the border and transport through 12 lousy miles in MD under FOPA rules, then stop somewhere in a free state and re-assemble. I won't as much as buy a dime's worth of gasoline in that State or eat at a fast food joint.

It is going to take a long time to change all this. Jim Crow-like laws are being passed by Democrat States and Cities designed to interfere with interstate commerce as it relates to the Second Amendment. It took about 100 years to deconstruct the legal framework of the actual Jim Crow laws that made it burdensome, if not impossible, for black Americans to travel freely and have their Constitutional rights respected.

See what you can legally carry in Baltimore (knife, pepper spray?) and stay alert.

Go and enjoy the Houdini Museum and a good time with your son.

[sontavas]

I will attempt to explain, even though you admit you will never understand.
It's like wearing a seatbelt, people who never do it don't miss it (and are usually somewhat uncomfortable wearing one). Once you get used to wearing a seatbelt you feel more comfortable with one on and actually feel uncomfortable without it. Carrying is the same, when you do it every day you become uncomfortable without it. I don't mean physical discomfort, I mean a "feeling" on discomfort, not necessarily a fear but just a feeling that "the one time I don't have it will be the one time I need it".

I never said that I will never understand, you just assumed that I am incapable of understanding. While it is true that we MD residents have limited opportunities to carry in our home state, we are also the best ones to state the fact that there is most certainly not danger lurking behind every bush in the state. I think that the attitude of many (not all) gun-owners can be counter-productive to the cause. If you want to advance the 2A agenda, then drive to Maryland and take someone out of their comfort zone and out to the range. Calling everyone who lives in an urban environment anti-american is certainly not helping, and really, its just not accurate.

[alpacaheat]

Calling everyone who lives in an urban environment anti-american is certainly not helping, and really, its just not accurate.

Sounds like you're twisting my words.

I used Baltimore as an example so lets roll with that.

I'm a gun owner from PA wanting to go to Baltimore. Can I take my gun? No. If I lived there, would it be easy to get a carry permit? No. Am I confident Baltimore law enforcement can and will protect me if I go there unarmed and something happens? Based on the riots where they were directed by Democrats running the city and police department to stand down and allow the criminals to run wild and do as they wish...even attacking police and their property? No!

So how did the city get into that state? How did the STATE get into that state? Democrats. Democrats elected by the citizens, who despite having all of the proof in the world that Democrats are bad for their personal well-being, and know they'll violate the Constitution for control over them. So who is to blame for the laws? That's right, the voters. The MAJORITY of the voters of Maryland. An near entirety of the whole population of Baltimore.

So am I calling them out for voting for people with anti-American views and policies that tear down the Constitution? Absolutely. It's their fault. It's a huge problem in most of our major cities and yes, in the minority populations of this country who have been courted and conned by the Democrat Party. It's easier to target and pick off votes from those at the bottom of the economic ladder.

I never made an "all urban people hate America" broad brush statement, but when it comes to voting records in cities...it's hard not to blame them for their own problems and it's also true that they do vote their (and our) rights away. When their laws are going to affect me, I'll just choose not to go there, whether it's denial to protect my family or a ridiculous fee to cross a bridge.

[lts1ow]

Sounds like you're twisting my words.
I used Baltimore as an example so lets roll with that.

As another soul stuck behind the lines, I will just add this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...w_Jersey,_2016
and
http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/el...nd-voting-map/

For the folks who are living in anywhere but a city, the state votes red. But, one can't win against overwhelmingly dense city populations.

[Wilderness 1864]

As another soul stuck behind the lines, I will just add this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...w_Jersey,_2016
and
http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/el...nd-voting-map/

For the folks who are living in anywhere but a city, the state votes red. But, one can't win against overwhelmingly dense city populations.

But, don't worry, that cancer spreads, and spreads fast. Soon enough, PA will fall and dominos go

Which is why we have a Republic and not a Democracy. That is why we have a Constitution, with guarantees of rights, that protect against the tyranny of the majority. All of that is why the Democrats and a large chunk of urbanites that know enough about it detest the Constitution, prefer socialism, and want to be reliant on the government to supply their daily bread. Not all Democrats or urbanites are that way. The Constitution stands as a barrier to their authoritarian plans for a socialist paradise. They see it, but are stuck. It isn't so easy to break free of it. It took me years and I lived in one on those deepest blue counties on your NJ map. I was completely disenfranchised as a practical matter, yet the lion's share of my taxes went to feed the urban beast.

The danger in PA is real because the majority can cause a lot of damage. The real issue is that the Democrats, once in power and especially with socialist zealots as judges, shred the US Constitution and the PA Constitution. If Democrat judges were honest, they would enforce those Constitutions and rural areas would have some measure of protection.

[markshere2]

I never said that I will never understand, you just assumed that I am incapable of understanding.

Re-read post #26 that you wrote.

While it is true that we MD residents have limited opportunities to carry in our home state, we are also the best ones to state the fact that there is most certainly not danger lurking behind every bush in the state.

Just because you don't see the danger behind the bush, doesn't mean it is not there.

EVERY objective study of citizens carrying handguns clearly shows a decrease in crime. ALL OF THEM.

I think that the attitude of many (not all) gun-owners can be counter-productive to the cause. If you want to advance the 2A agenda, then drive to Maryland and take someone out of their comfort zone and out to the range. Calling everyone who lives in an urban environment anti-american is certainly not helping, and really, its just not accurate.

Exactly which post said that? You are typing what you hear, not what was said.

And its not our job to fix Maryland's bullshit laws.